I agree, last night was pretty much what I expected. I hate to see a marriage fail, but I'm glad Tamra got some back bone & left controlling Simon. Notice he wasn't among the other men on the couch? I really wish Lyn would get her head out of her a$$ and control and discipline her spoiled brat daughters. Lynn always looks like she is spaced out. I keep switching my fave between Vicky (yes, she's a high maintenance friend) and Gretchen ( who is funny but I question her being with Slade) I thought it was funny when the narrator called her sloppy thirds. What the heck does he do for a living? or does he do Gretchen. LOL As for the new gal, can't remember her name, sounds like she & her hubs, rewrite the Bible to suit their needs. I'm looking forward to tonight's reunion show, as I am to the NY gals. I just don't get it with Luann and her "Countess" title. She seems to be the only one impressed with it. I think it is rather silly, because she & the "Count" are divorced, shouldn't the so-called title go to his next wife. I didn't know that Bethany was PG. I hope she & the new Beau tie the knot.This looks like it is gearing to be a rocky season. Dpttie

Hi Kids, Yes, tonight is RHNYC night. I have watched the Housewife showes since RHOC started several years ago. RHNYC are now my favs. I was so turned off by the OC women this past season that I am sure I will never watch them again. The Poor, embaressing behavior they displayed this season was enough for me. No kindness or class to be had in that group. For me, the NYC Women are much more real. As a group, they are more diverse and have a greater range of interests. Jill is over the top with her spending, the Countess is way over the top with her title and RAMONA...still a nut job, with her husband Mario, not far behind. Bethenny is ok but is so involved with what I will call her inner Bethenny, that she really does not have room for much else. I like and enjoy her wit but also find her to be a real piece of work. Kelly is smart, I guess she is beautiful, has money but at times she seems to miss the forrest for the trees. And what's up with her being late for EVERYTHING! She went to Columbia so she has game, but so often she can't find all the pieces to the puzzel. I am surprised as the rest of you to see that Alex & Simon are the normal ones. Who ever would have guessed? So yes, I will be watching tonight. It looks like we will see more of the Bethenny/Kelly issue. I thought their last confrontation made for some great Bravo T.V.. It seemed real and was interesting to watch. sooey

If anyone is still reading this thread, did it strike any of you as significant at the seating placement? Jill, Bethany and LuAnn on one couch, the rest on the other - do you think that was significant grouping indicating "teams" or simply where they landed when they all went to take a seat? LuAnn was not one of my "favorites" but she sure looked terrific and came off as more "real" in personality than she ever has, I actually liked her last night - a first for me. Divorce seems to suit her in every way, maybe she is finding out she is far happier without The Count. If so, *good* for her!! The very nerve of anyone to break off a marriage via e-mail. Anyone who falls in with Mr. NoCount knowing this is how he handled the mother of his children and the end of the 15 year marriage? Via email?!? They will end up with exactly what they deserve. Product description found stamped on rear end. What a bum. I'm interested to see how Lou Ann comes off next season, I might like her a whole lot more next season. She didn't seem so "I'm a countess and you're not" to me tonight, she struck me as a real person. I'm never going to like Kelly, to me she is a phony. It's ALWAYS somebody else's fault, has anyone ever noticed that? You can never tell if what she says is the truth because she is always the victim when somebody gets upset with her. Romana - without her would there even be a show? *LOL* She's ok, but she has to be willing to take it if she dishes it out and I'm not so sure she is good at taking it. If she keeps up this defensive cat back biting, they are going to take her down, she will look the fool by her own actions. For the first time, I realized that the blond one (terrible with names) is probably the most decent in basic character of the whole lot of them. She and her husband always creeped me out, but I realized tonight that she is an honestly decent person who doesn't go out looking for ill will and doesn't send it out there either - that's more than I can say for the rest of them. I actually liked her - a LOT, tonight. She presented her case against Bethany very well and I suddenly realized she is not one who back bites like the rest of them. Though I can't stand that husband of her's, I cannot begin to imagine how hurt she has been about the comments made about him. And, her (ok. awful) children. She just sits quietly and doesn't throw back like Romana does. She will say what she has to say and then just shuts up. I've know people like that, they have landed on their feet no matter what happened to them, their whole life. Good for her. Bethany - how decent of her to own up to her bad behavior regarding the blonde one - I really admired Bethany for that. I have always admired people who were willing to admit fault when called on bad behavior, expecially if they noticed faults in others and commented on it. It speaks well of Bethany that she owned her poor behavior. Bethany looked seriously worn though, too thin, tired looking, too much make up. I also saw a "softer" side of her, when she admitted she was hurt - I've always liked her, but she came off as too tough with very biting sarcasm, which I love but not when it's used as a sharp tool against others in the social circle. She looked like she badly needed a vacation and about five - eight additional pounds. Jill looked *terrific* didn't she? Good for her for not apologising to that viewer's remark for how she spends her money. Who has the right to determine how another should spend what is theirs?!? I couldnt believe that question. I may not have much much money, but what I have, nobody gave to me, it's what I earned and I'll spend/save/invest it exactly the way I choose. When did being wealthy become such a crime in this country? Sounds like mean spirited envy to me. I felt that to be a reversed snobby question. "Holy catfight!!" is right - can't wait until tonight - Romana is going to have a stroke and her eyeballs will fall right out of her head if she doesn't settle down *LOL* Those New Jersey women? I'm not going to comment on them, they might find out where I live and come after me. God Forbid! I'm ascard of them. I want them to remain on my tv screen, not on my front porch *LOL* I can't begin to believe that I actually watch this show........and enjoy discussing it! Just can't comprehend this. But, I do love it - brain junk food *LOL* I'll only admit it here though, to the rest of the world? Why, I would NEVER be caught DEAD................;)

Dotmom, I too love Bethenny's show. Her season was short, but very entertaining and cute. My favorite Housewives are NY, followed by OC and NJ. Atlanta was just ok for me. DC was very boring, so not sure how much longer I'll watch.