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Fixing the problem of my farmhouse sink installation
Comments (47)Plumeriavine, I am so sorry you are going through this. I really sympathize with your frustration and I admire you for trying to seek out solutions for the various issues. Some of them are just cosmetic, but many of them are structural and I think it would be good for you to take a step back for a minute and decide if you have the time, energy and experience to determine how to fix each and every problem individually. I'm not a lawyer, but I used to do a lot of contract work in my former job working with lawyers. I want to caution you that once you start developing and implementing your own solutions, you will begin to muddy the waters between what is you KD/installer's issue and what is a result of the fix you implemented. In simple terms, you're taking joint ownership of the problem. If you agree to a specific fix, they will be able to claim that you authorized it and they may be off the hook. As soon as you take ownership of fixing their mistakes, they will hold you accountable if the fixes don't work. It's taken them 6 months to do a horrendous job of installing a poorly designed kitchen. Allowing them to continue to butcher your beautiful cabinets and repair them inch by inch, while you do battle to get everything fixed is a long, long road. Even more complicated is trying to document every issue and every fix needed in an attempt to get a financial settlement out of them. Remember, these are just the issues you know of--there are probably more you haven't discovered yet. I think now is the time to make a firm decision to choose one of the following doors: 1. continue to work with these clowns bandaiding issue after issue, 2. get a thorough evaluation of all the problems by qualified third parties and go to court to get a monetary settlement to complete the job with someone else or 3. have they rip it out, put everything back to where it was and get a full refund. I don't think #1 is an option-you don't trust them and you will take ownership of the problem. And I honestly think that # 3 is a shorter road than #2. I know that's not what you want to hear, but as many have said, the problems are just too massive to think that you have a chance of catching every issue and developing the correct solution. You paid far too much for those beautiful cabinets to accept a hatchet job of an installation. Many years ago we watched as a good friend battled with a builder over their dream house experiencing structural issues. They continued to work with the builder, allowing him to implement solution after solution. In the end, they ended up in court and sold the house back to the builder. The whole process took over 5 years. When it was all over, they wished they had just cut loose from the builder when the problems piled up and moved on. Figure out which option you want to pursue, and put all your energy into that option. If it were me, I'd be headed for door #3....See MoreApron Sinks/Farmhouse Sinks
Comments (26)I'm not a fan of a sink with an upper over it. I think you need to stand too close to the front of the door, no matter what. But if you are determined to do that, then by all means I would consider using a farm sink and bumping it out. That means setting it proud (forward) of the front of the sink cabinets and the adjacent base cabinets. I have this arrangement (my sink cabinet is bumped out as well) and it makes working at the sink extremely comfortable because I get farther over it. The trick is in the selection of the sink. The classic Rohl fireclays are the same all the way around. The sink on the floor upthread is the same. But some farm sinks have notches on the side to fit against the cabinet fronts. Some have a flange. Before you choose/buy it's important to figure out how you want the sink to look and then choose one that will do what you wish. There are so many choices, even in SS it shouldn't be a problem. One factor is whether you prefer a 0 radius sink (square corners) or a more traditional sink with rounded corners. How far you want the sink to protrude -- mine stick out 2 inches in front of the cabinet. One sink upthread has the curved front and doesn't protrude much. Etc. Lots of photos on the link plus a farm-sink installation tutorial that will explain the general concept. Here is a link that might be useful: Farm Sink Gallery...See MoreIntegrated Concrete Farmhouse/Prep Sink
Comments (8)CEFreeman - All good considerations! The only change from what I'm used to working with now is that the drainboard is on the opposite side of the sink to where I'm used to setting my dishes. Since this is a new kitchen in a new apartment, I'll be adapting to everything else anyhow, so I don't forsee it being a problem. Twodogs - All the features will be rounded so there are no "crud catchers" including rounding the cutting board to fit in the rounded lip on the counter. I could model it that way in the program, but I am lazy and it would take too long for what it's worth - sorry for the confusion. I understand what you're describing about the different planes - it's the best compromise I could come up with to keep both my sliding cutting board and my apron front sink. It also simplifies the sink casting so that the complex lip edge is built into the countertop instead. I think of it as the apron announcing "this is the sink area" and the encroaching countertop on the right is just a fancy feature. Hollysprings - Thanks for the informative post! I plan on doing four big pieces: the island, the sink, and the long run in two separate sections split by the sink. Our cabinets are being custom built out of quality plywood, and I had a long discussion with the cabinetmaker about considerations for the countertop - they are plenty sturdy. Marcolo - I have a 12.5' run of base cabinets plus a little home plate shape next to the stove in the island (I am considering doing that spot in walnut butcher block - thoughts?). Here's the sink in context of the larger kitchen (with an older sink version, but you can see the garbage drop): Bill - That's intense! You can wash a FULL sheet pan - industrial baking size. That wouldn't even fit in my oven. Standard cookie sheets (a "half" sheet pan - thanks Wikipedia!) are 18" long, so 19" should be plenty. The the interior of my oven is 24"x18" so it's feasible that I could buy and use a pan longer than 19", but that would probably be a once-a-year sort of thing (I use cookie sheets much, much, much more often). A lousy picture of the delicious walnut veneer that will wrap around the slab frameless doors: What's installed so far:...See MoreUpgrading sink down the road (quartz cut) or Farmhouse sink?
Comments (14)Countertops are always made to order/ custom....no matter what he says about being pre-designed. They can do it. The reason they don't allow many changes is it then becomes a 'custom home' and custom homes require a lot more hand holding, project management and troubleshooting. A simple change or make one little thing custom, and it can hold up the job and cost him $. Building homes are getting more and more expensive....to keep his overhead down, selections are limited. My sister once wanted to have me supply her kitchen but the tract builder wouldn't budge. I get it. I get why they do that. Maybe the only way around it is to get the smallest sink you can....then get the larger sink cutout recut later with the sink you want. You might be able to find a place to do it in on site....but you may have to have the top removed and reinstalled. If i were you, I would tell the builder that his ugly double sink offerings are OUTDATED. Guilt him in to offering a larger more modern single sink like the one you pictured. Tell him that probably every job would pay the upgrade. Make him see dollar signs....See More
12 years agolillyvt, I installed my ss farm sink to work with a cutting board. I used the sink for a few days (without silicone caulk) with a flush reveal, then pulled it forward to try it with the board.
I like it better with the option to use the cutting board, although that means I have to wipe the water off the back reveal. I already had a bamboo cutting board that was the perfect size. With the open front of a farm sink you should have more, less expensive options for cutting boards.
This may be too late for you, if your sink is installed, but I'll include a pic, in case anyone else is searching for this idea. *Bonus* It also hides dirty dishes.
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I googled as drachiele suggested, and found one similar to my idea--made to use on only one side of a sink. Since drachiele didn't include a website link, I'll post the pic (I hope that's OK):
Here is a link that might be useful: Rachiele sinks, scroll down to #28
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Your comment reminded me that I have a photo of a custom board that I had made years ago for a farmhouse sink that did not have ledges for support. The board was supported by the counter top and the apron. This is a fairly difficult design as anything less than a perfect fit will cause the wood block to rock.
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