Oh, the inch notation is not your fault, it's a quirk of GW. I think you can get around it by typing two single quote marks. The problem only exists in the subject lines- you can denote inches properly in the body of posts.

"Features" of 1960's cabinets that have prompted remodels:

1. They do not fit standard sized appliances. That goes beyond just a range. That means dishwashers and refrigerators too. Everything has gotten larger since 1960 and nothing fits.

2. No adjustability or versatility. Modern cabinets have adjustable shelves, and have a host of organizing fitments that can triple the storage capacity when compared to older cabinetry.

3. The finishes of older cabinets are not durable and are vulnerable to moisture damage much more so than today's conversion varnish finishes. The surface gets sticky when grease and dirt combine with the finish attempting to clean them usually results in removing the finish. If the cabinets were painted, then they probably were painted with paint containing lead, which can be a hazard. And the paint is usually chipped, which if you want to repair them enough to repaint them, means that you would be releasing lead dust into the home and thus you would need to practice lead containment when prepping them.

4. They lack drawer space and the drawer glides are atrocious. You will rarely if ever find the original drawer hardware on cabinets that old.

That's just the top 4 reasons that people have been dealing with old cabinets end up remodeling rather than attempting to compromise with their shortcomings. #1 and #2 are the biggest drivers to full remodels. The hidden #5 reason is that 1960's kitchen usually do not have enough electrical service to be able to satisfy the modern kitchen user, and it's also a tossup as to whether or not the electrical that they do have is grounded or not.

I wouldn't worry about the stove being proud of the counters. Many pro-style ranges are deeper so it's not unusual to see a bump in the cabinet line.

In answer to GreenDesigns:
I think you're jumping to conclusions about everything made in 1960.

You are probably right about #1.

#2. Our cabinets all have completely adjustable shelves, and have built-in features such as tray and cookie sheet dividers. There are a large number of cabinets and drawers, as many as anyone could want. 24" is really not shallow as there is plenty of room.

#3 The simple blond birch is in excellent condition -hardly worn at all. These were built right in the house by a skilled craftsman at the time, and are very sturdy, clean, and beautiful. In fact, tearing down such Scandinavian-looking cabinetry seems like a crime.

#4 As already noted, there are a large number of drawers that all work perfectly and have the original tasteful hardware and wooden knobs.

There are no shortcomings at all, and we wish to preserve the cabinetry, but I agree that finding modern appliances that fit is a problem.

This is the most flush looking one I could find: (23-1/2" deep) I am assuming electric because of the original being drop in?

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It's expensive, but if you are saving money on potential cabinet modification it may be a savings in the long run. I can't attest to Dacor quality, I don't know much about them.

I would love to see pictures of the cabinets. :)

Here is a link that might be useful: Dacor Slide In.

The GE Cafe is 26-1/2 overall depth but that includes the handle. It has no back guard but it is freestanding, without the flange that laps the counter.

Here is a link that might be useful: GE Cafe

I seem to remember the Bertazonni ranges being shallower than most.

Just checked and the 30" X304GGVX model is 25.1 inches deep.

It's rare to find a range that is flush with the counters, and in fact it is I believe code that the door is not 'recessed' between your base cabinets, so you won't find too many ranges that don't peek out an inch or two from the base cabs/edge of counter top.

Bottom line is you're going to have to shop by 'depth' and many online appliance sites allow you to filter by dimensions, so you can at least narrow down some choices.

Otherwise take your tape measure and go shopping.

I wonder if some of the slide-in ranges don't have finished sides now, so that it would not really matter if it stuck out an inch and a half. My freestanding range sticks out that far and I must say I had never even noticed it.
Renee

Thanks a lot for all the suggestions-I'm looking into them.I don't mind the stove sticking out a little beyond the cabinets. it's just that the slide-ins I've seen have notched edges in front that show they're supposed to sit back and "grip" the countertop. If the notched edges stick out with nothing in them, it looks unfinished, and like the stove doesn't fit, in my opinion.
A free-standing range doesn't appeal to me because of the gaps at the sides for crumbs to fall down.
In other words, I'd like to find a slide-in without those notches in front.

Hi Margrethe, I'm in the same boat. What did you end up using?

I am currently looking for a slide in electric range with the same dimensions. Did you have any luck finding one? 30 width x 24-25 depth.

I'd be interested hear also -- I have the same issue.

What do you all go with. I'm in the same boat now.

I ended up buying a Smeg (gas range and oven). Looks beautiful but does not light properly so am exchanging it (after a lot of hassle) for the updated model.

You don't have to have a 1960 kitchen to have this problem. I have 1996 U shaped small kitchen. They put the dang stove so close to a corner that I have a drawer that can only open part way before it hits the stove handle. This is a custom built home with idiots for sub-contractors, and I can't afford a remodel!

Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen...FOUND IT! Gas with convection- Samsung NX58H5600SS is 23 and 11/16 deep! and currently on sale at Lowes for $650 (June 2018)

I'm having same issue. I can't open my cabinet drawers due to the depth of the handles on ranges these days. I currently have max of 27.25 inches (older GE Profile slide in range) but all newer models are 28 to 30 inches due to handles. I've checked Dacor and Bosch but no luck. Anyone have suggestions?

Same issue here with being somewhat set in a corner with a drawer that might not be able to be opened. Also, add to that our outlet is 22" up the wall and most electrical ranges now require the outlet to be no more than "ish off the floor in order to slide all the way in. They sell the fillers for the back, but now you add an additional 1.5" on top of counter depth. So frustrated!!! If anyone have any ideas I'm all ears.

I've tried every manufacturer. I don't think you should have to redo your cabinets or countertop to accommodate a new range. The new designs are ridiculous. Who needs 3 inch wide handles?

I am looking for the same thing - 30 in wide with 25 in depth, any current selections that anyone knows of?

It looks like Summit makes ranges with similar measurements, and they look really good, but apparently get mediocre reviews.

https://www.summitappliance.com

Greetings - I have the exact same problem in my duplex. The house was built in 1974. The range is in the corner,, with the dishwasher on the adjacent side of the corner so there is only about 1.5" clearance for the oven handle to allow room for the dishwasher door to open. I searched high and low, from one end of the valley to the other, to try find a replacement range/oven that would fit the space. I finally found one refurbished range/oven that fit the measurements just barely but when it was installed, discovered the curved handle blocked the dishwasher. My handiman made a new straight handle for the oven/range. We also had to cut out the countertop some to get it to fit and cut out the wooden structure surrounding it inside the cabinets about 1/2" with literally no extra to spare. When the oven board went out, I knew how impossible it would be to replace the unit. I found a company online that rebuilt the board, thank goodness. Well worth the money.

Now I am looking at the same problem in the other unit. Everyone poo-pooed the problem in disbelief that I talked to and assumed it would be easy to replace, but the only unit I am finding that appears to fit is a Summit and it has unfortunately has terrible reviews across the board. As a result, I am going to go ahead and try to repair my existing built-in Westinghouse range/oven. The oven bake element burnt out and I found a replacement that is bigger than the one I had but it looks like it should fit by the measurements I took. Planning to do that this week. It would be nice to get a new range/oven and I would be prepared to pay for it, but it seems I really have no options aside from a complete renovation of the kitchen.

It seems to me this range/oven size is a market niche that is being neglected and overlooked by manufacturers.. It would be a huge job and expense to renovate the entire kitchens with all of their built in cabinets and counters and sinks just to allow space for a larger modern range.

I might add it looks like some of the gas ranges are smaller and might fit but my kitchens are set up with electric, not gas. I don't think it would be easy to install gas connections in my kitchens.

@Marilyn Fiore thank you!!! That slide in range will work perfectly for this problem. I so appreciate you saving me a bunch of legwork. :)

Frigidaire FFGF3054TD looks promising!

Still looking for a 30" wide stove with a 24" depth? Summit has got you covered with a variety of gas and electric range options.

30" Wide Gas Ranges:

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Hi Everyone, new to houzz and hoping to see if anyone found a good solution. My perpendicular drawer adjacent to the range is 27" from the range wall. That means I too need a depth less than 27" (INCLUDING THE HANDLE). Even thinking outside the box, I found cos-305aerc, but with the handle, that depth was 27 1/2". SO CLOSE! I asked if they could swap out the handle but they don't have any others/don't do that. I asked if that was something I could do if I found a handle. The rep told me it would be easy enough but would void the warranty. I looked at all of the suggestions you posted previously but had no luck. I know the OP was years ago. I'm hoping there are some updates? TIA.

Just sharing an update. I am still trying to find a workaround (I know I'm going to have to trim the drawer and cabinet. The I got all excited about the SMEG SPR 30UIMX, but they are not currently available. I'm going to go to the store to take a closer look at Samsung NE63T8711SS (with handle 28 11/16 and Frigidaire with handle 29". A couple of the suggestions on this thread were for gas ranges, and in addition to the size issue, I need electric (and 40 amps).

Did you find a small electric range that worked for you? Which one? I'm looking for an electric range 30" by 25" deep and not having much luck.

Hi @Cindy Allman, I ended up ordering the Bertazonni, a new cabinet door, and will make the drawer narrower. For my specific situation, having electric & 40 amp wiring drastically reduced my options. If you have gas or 50 amps, there are more possibilities. Are you looking for gas or electric? How many amps is your kitchen?

Take a look at Fisher & Paykel. I have an induction that is just slightly over 25". 24" if not including the handle.

Yeah, the F & P are not as deep. They are, however 50 amp.

Thanks for the update. Please keep posting. I have the same issue and have been looking for well over a year. I also, need electric, not gas.

I’m looking for an electric range and am going to Home Depot tomorrow w a tape measure. Sometimes the depth measurement includes the handle and I can “handle” (sorry :-) more depth there. I can’t get the dishwasher to open in this small kitchen with a deeper oven.

Thank you both for your replies.

Good luck @Cindy Allman! @carol, Do you know your electrical amps? There are some 50 amp models that are not as deep.

Greetings all - anyone having any luck? I too found the Summit TEM210BRWY but am scared by all of the negative reviews! I need something 30" wide, electric, LESS than 26" deep including the oven handle

Hi @jill3mail i just updated my original post. Since the handle on the Bertazzoni was lower than the height of my drawer, I did not have to make the drawer narrower. I'm also changing the hinge of the cabinet to the otherside, but since your issue is a dishwasher and not a drawer and separate cabinet, my luck would not be the same for you. Good luck.

KitchenAid makes a dual fuel (gas burners, electric oven) or an all electric 24" deep range

The one i found for kitchen aid is 28 7/8” deep with handle. what model number are you referring to

Hi, I am afraid that KitchenAid electric range is NOT 24" deep. That is just the dimensions of the box, not including the handle.

I'm dealing with this now! Insane there is no way around this. I have a 30" wide cutout for a range but can't get anything deeper than 25" or it will hit the dishwasher. I think I'm just going to end up getting a 18" dishwasher put in to workaround this.

@Lauren Huff, I don't know if you've read through the whole thread, but the Bertazzoni I got fits with ⅛" clearance since the handle is lower than the cabinet drawer. Also, other people mentioned other solutions that work with 50 amps. My power was 40 amps and it would've been too big of a project to rewire. So, if you have 40 amps you may have more options.

Hm i tried looking on their website, is it an electric oven? Do you have the link to the model?

I've been searching for two years for a depth of 27.5 inches including handle for an electric range. It is ridiculous. The manufacturers should read these posts. I would be happy with an undergrab handle or a swing door from the side. This is extremely frustrating.

@Lauren Huff, I ended up buying the Bertazzoni Prof304CEMXE. Here is a link to the discussion thread I started. You can see if any of those suggestions work for you. Same for you, @carol. https://www.houzz.com/discussions/6207600/help-i-need-an-electric-range-that-is-less-than-27-deep-total?share=clipboard

Thanks so much, Lorianne. I appreciate the link. My drawer looks like your picture. I had it cut down a few years ago to work but never anticipated having the issue again. I have three drawers rather than a drawer with a cabinet underneath.

Hard to believe that the stove manufacturers do not make stoves that fit in thousands of homes! My home was built in 1977 and came with a GE slide in double oven stove. When we installed new cabinet doors and granite countertops in late 1990s we could no longer get the same style stove so had to remodel enough to do an over the stove m/w and a slide in stove. Counters are 24” deep and 36” high. My cabinets and countertops are beautiful and i certainly do not want to do a costly remodel just to be able to replace my appliances. I have been searching for a stove that will fit and it appears i am not the only one with this issue. i have found a frig, dishwasher, and m/w but the stove is the problem. I really want the same brand for all so the handles all match but that seems to be an impossibility. Now just hoping to find a fit. All suggestions are appreciate….

Hi all - just checking in --- anyone have any luck finding an electric range that has a depth (INCLUDING THE HANDLE) under 27" ? I'm still beyond frustrated that the only thing I can find is a Summit which has HORRID reviews. And unlike Lorraine, I'm not spending thousands on a Bertazonni - wish I could! Gotta be under $1,000 as its going into an investment property. Thanks all! Jill

Hey @jill3mail, i did not see anything in the lower pricepoint, thus my purchase of the Bertazzoni. So frustrating. hopefully you’ll be able to figure out some sort of workaround.

What a nightmare this search is! Glad I'm not the only one...adding my two cents in case it helps others as this is clearly a problem that more than a few people are having...

We needed a gas stove (our building doesn't have enough amps for electric, apparently) and we have a very narrow kitchen so I didn't want anything to stick out too far.

Initially we wanted an oven built-into the cabinet for a stream-lined look. There are only two gas 30" wall ovens on the market that I could find: a Summit (poor reviews) and the good-looking VEBIG30NSS Verona 30" Gas Built In Single Wall Oven - Stainless Steel. Which a) becomes pretty expensive when you add in the cooktop, the cabinet for the oven, the extra countertop, etc., plus the oven doesn't have any bells or whistles to justify the price and b) you're kind of F'ed if it breaks down or you need to replace it down the line b/c clearly there aren't other options on the market. I would've swallowed the cost, but didn't want to screw myself in the future w/ custom cabinetry built around an appliance I can't replace.

So, the best options I came up with:

Allow the stove to stick out and treat it as a "feature": I liked the Kucht 30" gas in green (29"D)

Go with the cheaply priced but boring looking :

Frigidaire 30 Inch Wide 5.1 Cu. Ft. Gas Range with Quick Boil Burner and Steam Clean

Model:FCFG3062AS (26"D)

Spend more on a Smeg (25"D) or Verona (24"D) gas slide-in.

Spend less on a Koolmore (brand unknown to me, but generally fine reviews)

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Koolmore-30-in-5-Burner-Freestanding-Gas-Range-in-Stainless-Steel-GRS-30-5B/320772367

which is 25"D and has nice clean lines (not dissimilar from the Verona for half the price).

This apartment will become a rental within the next 5 years, so we're going with the last option. GOOD LUCK, this is an infuriating problem. Wish manufacturers would add some more range options that aren't huge monsters. Hope this saves someone some time.