Will all of this run on one 3/4" natural gas line?
Wayne Reibold
11 years ago
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Comments (1)6/8 is 3/4 The unit is 3/4", just the body is bigger than the 3/4" threads....See MoreNatural gas cost to run furnace
Comments (9)My gas meter also has a 2 cubic foot dial. I set a video cam in front of the gas meter in the morning knowing the furnace would be on for at least 20 minutes to bring the house up to temp from the night's setback. In 5 minutes the funace consumed 7.6 cubic feet of gas. In 10 minutes the funace consumed 15.2 cubic feet of gas. I also timed how long it took per revolution of the 2 cubic foot dial. That was determined to be 1 minute 19 seconds to 1 minute 20 seconds. So 15.2 cubic feet of gas in 10 minutes extrapolated out to 60 minutes would be 90.8 cubic feet gas per hour which is a little over 93000 BTUs....See MoreDo New Natural Gas Lines Need to be Purged?
Comments (10)I haven't tried running the unit any more but I did do some double checking on the gas lines and think I have found a problem that would affect the sytem when it is heavily loaded. My gas meter is a "pound meter" running 1.2-2.2 psi. The gas meter feeds an Earthquake shutoff valve with a 1" inlet and outlet, which then feeds the low pressure regulator with a spring set at 6-8" WC. The problem I see is the outlet of that regulator is only 1". The 1" section is only 2 inches long after which it transitions to 1-1/4" pipe... but if I look at the gas tables a 1" pipe can only flow 286 CFH (~ 286K Btu/hr) at 50 ft and 259 CFH at 60 ft, the approximate distance to the furthest appliance. With all appliances running full tilt my load is about 485,000 Btu/hr. Thus, I do not believe the 1" section is large enough. The installation does not have a gas line drip leg before the Noritz unit. If that was an oversight by the gas piping contractor, the inspector also missed it, or we don't have the requirement in our local area. I'll be talking to the contractor about the 1" pipe section and lack of a drip leg this week. One thing I wonder about is the Noritz startup gas load... when it fires up the exhaust blower runs at high speed, so I'm guessing the unit requires a lot of gas to get going, after which it drops down once the cold water is up to temperature. If the unit is attempting to start while the furnace and old gas WH are running, I wonder if the 1" restriction in the piping is causing the low gas pressure? It's all very frustrating....See Moregas line sizing question 3/4 instead of 1/2
Comments (11)Gas is tricky and dangerous. If you have to ask these questions, you really should be having the conversation with a licensed and bonded plumber instead of on an online forum. OK, now that we have the mandatory safety warning out of the way, let's talk about your question :-) As with any type of pipe, the diameter determines the pressure drop and the maximum sustainable flow rate. For most types of pipes, oversizing is not a problem (domestic hot water might be an exception to this rule). It simply costs more in parts and possibly in labor, but it'll work just fine. Adapters that step down the diameter at point of use are readily available. Your plumber will be able to do the math and will then tell you what the minimum diameter is so that none of your gas appliances are starved for fuel. In extreme cases, he might tell you that you have to install multiple runs, but frequently it is OK to supply multiple appliances from the same pipe. Stepping up the gas pressure is usually not possible. Unlike with water, you can't just install a booster pump. Your only option is installing a bigger diameter pipe. Reducing pressure is possible, but you shouldn't have to do anything special. All appliances already come equipped with a suitable regulator. Solid black pipe is commonly used in residential applications. It's cheap, and plumbers know how to work with it. Flex pipe is usually more expensive and is handled differently. Most plumbers should be familiar with it, but some might balk at using a product that they are not usually working with. Building inspectors could also complain. My inspector told me that for a while, flex pipe wasn't legal for residential installations; and I wouldn't be surprised if that's still true in some jurisdictions. Better double-check before you make a costly mistake that needs to be ripped out again. And don't even think about doing the gas installation without a permit/inspection. That's way too dangerous....See MoreWayne Reibold
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