Thanks hopefulauther - Aeonium, will try and source one [or two] of those down. Chemocurl - no problems at all copy/paste and quote all you want,,,,if it means getting pictures posted, I'm all for it. Many message boards don't seem to have decent instructions on posting pics, if they have any info at all. Guess that's where we all come in :-)

This isn't a manufacture's issue. Both are UL listed. That's enough certification for 99% of the USA. It's not the manufacturer's problem that your locality requires overkill paperwork to issue the proper permits. That's your GC's problem, and that's one of the ways they earn their money. So, make him earn his money by going over the local inspector's head to ask why a UL listing isn't good enough. In some older buildings, the inspector may be correct that even a residentially UL listed gas appliance of that amount of BTU's won't work because not enough gas pressure is available. Or, perhaps the location you anticipate installing it has issues with its sprinkler system and thus no high BTU appliances would be approved. There are a few legitimate reasons for denying you your choice for your remodel, but you have to communicate with the powers that be a bit better and find out exactly what the issue is.

This post sort of ties in with the earlier Jenn-Air post, as both Jenn-Air and KitchenAid are manufactured by Whirlpool. Remember that name - WHIRLPOOL. So I bought a whole KitchenAid package last August - a fridge, stove, hood, dishwasher. The fridge has an outside H2O and ice dispenser. There's a nifty electronic reading that reports how much water is dispensed, in ounces. I noticed that an 8 oz. reading on the fridge was really dispensing a tad over 4 ounces. Hmmm....I thought, not a big deal but I should call while it's still under warranty and get this fixed. The first repairman came out and said I needed a new "something or other" and he promptly ordered it. The part arrived in less than a week. The second repairman came out to install it and said I never needed the part in the first place. He said the reading was off because my water pressure was low. So apparently, the water is not actually 'measured', but 'guesstimated' by the time the button is depressed, based on an average water pressure. I thought it was a stupid thing to have a measurement reading when it really doesn't measure anything. My water pressure is good to fair. So I shrugged it off and forgot about it. Until I received a bill for $90 for a service visit that wasn't covered under warranty. I called the service company and Whirlpool (who I think is ultimately responsible for this charge) and both companies insisted that I had to pay this bill. I guess I was supposed to know how Whirlpool engineered their product. I am beyond fuming on this. Remember the name - Whirlpool, Jenn-Air, KitchenAid. If anyone has contact info for someone from Whirlpool/KitchenAid who actually gives a damn about my dilemma, please share it with me. I still find it hard to believe they expect me to pay this bill.

Maybe if we get enough people sending e-mails requesting a gallery here, like they have on several of the other forums, we can get one just for pics, before we loose too many more posts. Hazie