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Toto G-Max or E-Max toilet flushing system?

14 years ago

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I am confused about the Toto Ultramax toilet. We were looking for the elongated ADA toilet ultramax and thought it was G-Max flushing system. However, when we got home the brochure said it was E-Max flushing system. Is one better than the other? I have tried to compare them on-line but am even more confused. Would appreciate it if anyone knows the difference-if one is better than the other. Thanks in advance. The model # here in Canada I was given is MS854114EL if that helps any and were told it is called the Eco-Ultramax.

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Terry Love

14 years ago

Same trapway, same flush valve, but usage cut just a bit to 1.28 gallons.

I've been installing the II's, like the Drake II and the Ultramax II, all working very nicely.

We are starting to see the other II models, like the Vespin II, Carlyle II, Carolina II.
Double Cyclone rinse, still using a 3" flush valve flush.

I have the Ultramax II in my main bath.
The Ultramax one is downstairs.
Both of those have Sanagloss.
Terry Love

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gwentm
14 years ago
I'm also interested in the differences between the Toto flushing systems. You may want to try the Baths Forum. It seems to have more activity.
sammiecanada
Original Author
14 years ago
Thanks gwentm....I just put it in bath forum now as well...wasn't sure so hopefully it will get some answers for both of us!
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gwentm
14 years ago
sammiecanada, Have you done a search on Toto toilets in these Forums? If you haven't done one yet, you may find this same question has been discussed/answered previously. I included a link to one thread that may be relevant below. There appear to be many others.

Here is a link that might be useful: Okay, tell me about Toto toilets
sammiecanada
Original Author
14 years ago
Hi gwentm,
I did read that thread and it had a lot of great information including this "The E-Max on all the "Eco" models is a re-engineered G-Max, still with the 3" flush valve and 2-1/8" trapway, for a 1.28 gallon flush. But all the "II" models have the Double Cyclone flushing system."

Thanks so much for the link...I am new to posting here and when I put Toto in my search area it comes up with really strange stuff?? I think I must be doing something wrong!

Who knew picking out a toilet was so confusing. Thanks again for putting that link on there for me-it really helped.
gwentm
14 years ago
You're welcome. It's amazing how much some of us stress over such things. Some just go buy a toilet!
sammiecanada
Original Author
14 years ago
Terry: Thank you for the further info...the last time we had to buy a toilet was 27 years ago so this is all new to us..especially here in B.C. where we have to go low flow.
Russel C
14 years ago
We replaced our old toilet with a low flow Eco Drake, we haven't used the plunger since...even though it uses ~2.5 gallons less water than the crapper it replaced. Couldn't be happier with the choice.
sammiecanada
Original Author
14 years ago
xipper: thanks...good to know..my husband is leaving the decision up to me so I want to make sure whatever one I decide works! (only request from him is elongated, comfort height alias ADA)
bigmac1
14 years ago
i have replaced all 4 toilets in my home with the toto drake ada elongated and 3 of the 4 are gmax and the 4th is the emax (cant tell the difference) they all are great. a plumber friend told me about them and his comment was "keep your shirt buttoned if you are on it when you flush"
sammiecanada
Original Author
14 years ago
Ha ha!!! Good to know bigmac1 about "keep your shirt buttoned..." my husband will get a good laugh out of that one!
katiebugblue
8 years ago
What do you think of the Toto Promenade toilets? I have space considerations, so this is the one that was recommended to me. I don't know if it comes in a II version
roof35
8 years ago
@katiebugblue
You probably want to start a new thread with your question. You'll note the last response to this thread was a little over 5 years ago.
Terry Love
8 years ago
The Promenade comes with either the 1.28 tank or the 1.60 tank. Both work fine.

Bowl options are round, elongated, and elongated with Sanagloss.

It does not come in the II series, which is double cyclone and Sanagloss in the whites.

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