So gas tankless WH can't share flue w/ gas furnace... WHY?
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Advice needed. Need A New Gas Furnace
Comments (54)GoTerps let's look at each system's numbers. option #1 3929268 Active Systems XC14 SERIES LENNOX INDUSTRIES, INC. XC14-024-230-02 CX34-25+TDR SL280UH090V36B* 24000 13.20 16.00 option #2 3929121 Active Systems XC14 SERIES LENNOX INDUSTRIES, INC. XC14-030-230-03 CX34-31+TDR SL280UH090V36B* 29000 13.50 16.00 option #3 3656259 Active Systems COMFORT 16 PURON AC CARRIER AIR CONDITIONING 24ACC624A**30 CNPV*3014A** 58CV(A,X)070-12 23000 13.00 16.00 1 option #4 3656288 Active Systems COMFORT 16 PURON AC CARRIER AIR CONDITIONING 24ACC630A**30 CNPV*3117A** 58CV(A,X)070-12 28400 13.00 16.00 1 all qualify for tax credit. three observations. 1.The Lennox furnace is oversized and should drop down to the 70K model. 2.It is important that lineset be sized correctly whether you select 2 ton or 2 1/2 ton condenser. Flushing is acceptable practice but refrigerant lineset size must be correct. If you elect the 2 1/2 ton condenser, it is unlikely that old lineset will be correct size 3.I do not like thermostat selection for these quotes. I would like to hear from Ryan's ideas/suggestions on this. I do recommend a good 4-5" box filter cabinet. I would not put down more than 25% upon contract acceptance. now to the fuel comparison between electric vs nat gas. to be fair, I will use 50 therms mthly usage to better average your nat gas mthly base charge. Cost per 100,000 btu of useable heat Heat Pump with COP of 2.75 $1.15 Nat Gas Furnace 80% eff $1.81 you can readily see that a HP above temp balance pt is the less expensive choice to heat your home. Keep in mind the main reason for the large difference is the 80% eff furnace. yes, if operating costs are important to you, then HP operation would save you some $$s. ask dealer for option on HP condenser version if interested. IMO...See MoreNew HVAC, going from Oil to Gas, completely lost and need help
Comments (27)I am not the Ruud expert, but it appears to be a basic single stage system. Here is your Proposal 6: 2-stage, variable speed Carrier Furnace 59TN6080-14 (same as 5) 2-stage Carrier AC 24ANB736 Carrier evaporator coil CNPV3717 Infinity thermostat Comparing Carrier Proposal 6 vs. the Rudd system 2-stage 60KBTU vs. single stage 75KBTU (75K may be oversized) 2-stage 3 ton condenser vs. single stage 2.5 condenser 17 SEER (need to check) vs. 14.5 SEER Infinity thermostat vs. unknown thermostat The Carrier system is superior. You can get an equivalent Rudd system but it will cost more. I would spend the extra money on a variable speed furnace and a 2-stage condenser....See MoreNeed your best arguments for why gas is best!
Comments (48)Great advice so far-- I hesitate to offer my suggestion, but prehaps it will add something. I was very much in the same position as you. Hated my electric coils and excited about getting a gas range. Unfortuantely before my renovation could even begin, the coils just stopped working-- so I HAD to buckle down and buy something as a temporary means of boiling water, etc. So while investigating "hot plates/electric burners" I came across induction stand alone units. WAYYY more expensive than typical $20 units and I wondered way. did some investigating and then decided it would be worth it just to get a little taste of what induction is really like-- who knows, if I loved it, I might just go with that permanently. I doubted I'd love it, but I also figured there must be a good reason why so may people loved them so much. So I bought a "Mr. Induction" off amazon-- I think it was around $150. WOW! It is merely a stand alone, so it doesn't have the power what I will some day enjoy, but the power is truely on par with what I have experinced with a typical gas range-- and is somehow even more responsive! I've never used a super high end gas range, so I can't compare induction to that, but I had problems with keeping a very low flame steady, but with the Mr. Induction, it can go REALLY low and it is completely steady. The "flame" never goes out. I also got it hot enough to stirfry with-- merely satisfactory performance, but I imagine a true induction drop with at least double to power of my little stand alone will be fantastic to stir fry with. Anyway, I encourage you to try the stand alone induction unit. It will show your husband you are taking his concerns really seriously and it isn't that much of an expense in the whole scheme of things-- plus you can use it in the future to keep things warm during a buffet dinner party, or even just sell it-- super easy resale on Craigslist, for sure! And you might just find that you love the technology anyway! How cool is it that you can place a sheet of newspaper on the cooktop, put your skillet on top, fry up chicken that splatters grease everywhere, then bunch up the greasy newspaper and toss when you are done? Easy clean up, no gas fumes, little heat loss into your room kicking up work for the air conditioner and consistent and fast temperature control. I'm a convert-- maybe you will be too! Cost can be kept down-- my GE cooktop is $1500. You can get wall ovens pretty cheap. I imagine you can certainly get a middle brand range induction cooktop and wall oven for less than a high end gas range. And I like having the cooktop and oven it seperate locations. good luck!...See MoreHelp deciding on new gas furnace and A/C
Comments (55)Oh, no way, a failure by you, someone who's helping folks in your spare time?! No way! (I hope you were joking.) By "not a single person mentioned", I meant like installers when they came to give estimates, not anyone here. No trouble, it's all a learning experience. Yes, I had a media cabinet installed, but it was a Honeywell. I couldn't convince my installer to get the official Ruud cabinet. I wouldn't even call the condensate issue a failure necessarily by my installer, because he is right that my sump pump should work in freezing weather. Just these furnaces still aren't common in my area, so I'm surprised there aren't more words of caution out there. (In fact, my emergency handyman who came out that night cause I thought something had burst -- services rental properties as his full-time job -- turned to me and said "I haven't seen this before but your furnace is discharging water.") My installer is considering a condensate pump and there's a slight issue where the outdoor temp isn't being read. But overall, I'm super happy with my 96% Ruud and EcoNet thermostat. The thermostat tells me whether it's running high or low stage, I've been told I'm spending too much time with it. I can't thank everyone here enough. In the end, I was able to find a great HVAC team. It's been quite the adventure. I'll post pictures soon. The duct work is a masterpiece, everything was turned 90 degrees because otherwise code required I create a service opening in the wall....See Morejakethewonderdog
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