I posted this in another forum, but since the person who dug up this old thread to talk about "gene 6" in multiple forums... In case anyone wants some information about "gene 6"...better/correctly known as "P6"...as it pertains to current discussion based on a study by the EFSA... This is a very wide range of proteins found in virus encoding from HIV to mosaic virus...these proteins are also found in the smoke of burning meat and tobacco. It's a very wide range. In this case, one of the biggest dangers would be a chance encoding to re-invigorate the "dead" version of cauliflower mosaic virus (or P6 residues) that's very commonly used as a carrier string for DNA/RNA insertion that it's inserted into. This could lead to some allergy problems, too, even if it doesn't fully express the mosaic virus but still overlaps enough to express P6 proteins. P6 is a known allergen, though it's not one that everyone is sensitive to. The expression of this gene is highly unlikely, though...and would be regulated to a single (or very small groups) of plants doing this replication rather than entire seed source or a field suddenly replicating mosaic virus or P6 residues. If it is the case that encoding suddenly made it large-scale available it would show up heavily in the research stage and it wouldn't make it out into the consumer market since it's showing inferior/bad genetic expression. One of the biggest parts of GMO research is tossing out 99%+ of everything you're actually trying to create because positive effects of expression aren't stable enough to sell it as seed...or it's showing "bad" expressions. There's a lot of otherwise harmful viruses (to plants or humans) used to insert GMO traits for start/end points into a genetic change that are made inert (and distinctly different) from their original genetic package, but still contain large parts of what makes up the virus, itself. Viruses can easily carry genetic information and they're ideal vehicles for transferring it. The genetic carriers of the virus are merely vehicles. Once you change the "genetic package" inside a virus it's not even what you started with. The "guts" are changed dramatically. If you put a Dodge Neon engine in a Porsche very few people would still consider it a Porsche. That's the level of dramatic change in sequencing going on inside of these packages. You can take certain virus types, depending on what you're trying to achieve, and precisely insert genetic information with start/termination points into existing DNA/RNA...totally turning it's genetic information into something totally different in both makeup and application. Btw, to those with P6 protein sensitivities...this would be a big deal. I'm not trying to knock the research at all. I'm just saying it's overlapping expression would most likely be contained to a very few plants in a field, not widespread. While genetic start/termination points are very good with insertion and replication once stable, nothing is perfect when you're exchanging genes...we see it even natural breeding. The major problem with this particular chain of insertion is the overlapping of the 2 sequences given as example in the paper and what could happen as a consequence of them being genetically linked so closely together...even if there's a very small chance of it happening as defined. It's also worth mentioning we're talking a single virus carrier, not the 100s of types (or the 20-ish most commonly used) carriers. It would also be greatly influenced by the new information inserted, what was cut out, and where the start/termination points overlap (if there is any replication overlap). There's more than 1 way to insert genetic information into virus and the chances of overlap encoding or reversion is different depending on the type of method used.

Unless it's started to go mushy, it's fine. You're smelling the natural lactobacillus on the cabbage. When you cut into it, you liberated sugars, and the bacteria started to do its work on the sugars.

I agree with Stef. I think the best thing for you to do is call the KD and discuss the issue with her. If she gave you the plans without mentioning what you could or could not do with them, it sounds like she wont mind you asking her if you can use them to shop around. This is exactly why I never give out my plans without a retainer fee paid. Ive worked on my own and with two companies....for the first company, we required the initial meeting to be at the design center where clients met with us designers and gave us an idea of what they are looking for, including providing us with rough measurements. Once we "qualified" them (gave them a rough estimate of what things would cost) and showed them our portfolio then we asked for a retainer fee before we would come out to their home or do any real work if they wanted to move forward. On my own, all of my clients were either referrals from a past client or knew of me when I worked for the first company and were usually people who didnt want to shop around but wanted to pay someone to do the all the work for them. I always came to the client's home, spoke with them, took measurements and because I sleep, eat, and breathe this, I could give them a pretty close estimate of what things cost. If they wanted to move forward, they paid me a retainer right then and there and then I would schedule the next meeting which we would go over my initial design. All of these meetings were at the clients home, I brought samples to them and we only would meet at different show rooms if there was not a sample or photo of something I could bring to there house. With this last company, they do both ways, just depends on the client. Personally, I prefer the way I did things on my own. I was able to personally meet the client in the comfort of their own home, which I find it easier to discuss such a big money item. But never, I mean, NEVER, would I give anyone my drawings without some type of retainer payment. On the last thread, there were some pretty mean things said about KD's, whether some were real designers or just KD's. Some interior designers dont do kitchens, some do...Ive worked with alot of Interior Designers who told clients they did kitchens, but hired someone like me to work behind the scenes to actually do the design work, especially with detailed custom cabinetry...so it all depends on the person. KD's do have credibility (look at Jennifer Gilmore...she does mostly kithcens, is listed as a KD, and is in all the trendy magazines) I personally have an Architecture degree but fell in love with Kitchen and Bathroom design when I worked for a company during college....does that make me any less of a designer? Bottom line, its wrong to take someone's work and give it to another person to use, even if its just for pricing. I would be pissed if I gave someone a plan and they took the exact plan to another KD, Designer, or Architect, whatever...then again, I would never give anyone anything without acquiring necessary payments, so maybe since she gave it to you, its not a big deal...but you should definitely ask her first beforehand. PS. Just because a KD is affiliated with a cabinetry line does not mean they are any less of a designer than someone that isnt affiliated with a cabinetry line and is willing to work with which ever cabinetry line the client choose....some people can be so mean and really dont know what they are talking about. This really is a niche in itself because there are many variations on what type of designer exist and what clients expect. I think that if you want to shop around and find the best deal then be up front about it when your meeting with someone so that both of you know and expect the same things...why be so sneaky about it? I've have people tell me that they are shopping around and either I make sure to lay out exaclty what they can expect from me or I let them know, hey Im not the cheapest designer around and I can't do what you want at your ideal price...this way they are not wasting my time and I am not wasting theirs. But remember, alot of people on this forum write in about the "little" mistakes their KD has made or didnt catch and some of them probably went the cheapest route...as with anything, you get what you pay for...those "little" mistakes have never came up in my business, then again Im not the cheapest option. We are the first ones to get blamed yet we are the last prof that people want to pay. This is not to say that there are not bad KD's or designers becuase there def are and they give the industry a bad reputation. Im not saying the OP is trying to be sneaky, I just wanted to say what I felt and the last forum was getting a bit too long. Sorry to go a rant, but I'm kind of tired of the anti-KD or anti-Designer feeling I get alot of times when I log on here. All the best with your kitchen remodel!

"All of this stuff including the electric are not used. What??? If you have that strange a setup that's visible, I wonder what's inside the walls!" Yes, it is not used. All the wire ends are coiled at the end of the attic crawl space. I can eventually connect wires to them and run through the ceiling joists to get to rooms. Maybe the prior owner was considering putting rooms and expanding the second floor. If you look at the floor on the pictures above, you will see a very large cable. I found out this was connected to a 60amp breaker in the main panel. The far end was connected into a subpanel in the attic. I never knew it existed until I started following the lines out. The breaker is off at the panel. I guess I can also use this for more circuits too.