The whole growing under glass was a major trend in the mid/late 1800's, both in the northeast US and in northern Europe. For peaches the extra heat afforded in the summer under glass helped ripening times, same for grapes and citrus. It was a rich persons hobby apparently, along with race horses etc. As far as (re)-learning old lessons from these books, that one cuts both ways. There is a ton of knowledge that got lost over the years so there is a lot we can (re)-learn from them, but on the other hand they had some significant misconceptions, for example they talk on and on about this supposed disease called "peach yellows" which is now believed to just be nutritional. Re: the late summer pruning I also believe the old authors have that one right. I should pull out a few of these old books and re-read them, I was reading many of them 4-5 years ago but have not done too much lately. Check out Wright's Fruit Grower's Guide, thats one of my favorites. Fruitnut, you would enjoy reading the long sections on growing fruit under glass. I also learned a lot from their pruning descriptions, it is surprising how advanced their pruning methods were 150 years ago. Scott

Hi Iris - I have a bunch of heirloom tomatoes and some other stuff from your wishlist and would like to trade for your hollyhocks and gaillardia. Email me directly and I'll send you my list - Doreen.

morz8, Thanks for the tip. I get the same thing. I saved it and opened with IE, this is what it says: <?php // ++==================================================================== =====++ // :: vBadvanced CMPS v3.0 RC2 (vB 3.6) - 20579 // :: © 2003-2007 vBadvanced.com - All Rights Reserved // :: This file may not be redistributed in whole or significant part. // :: http://vbadvanced.com // :: Downloaded 05:21, Thu Dec 6th 2007 // :: 474020579_401112308657 // ++ ====================================================================== ==++ error_reporting(E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE); define('THIS_SCRIPT', 'adv_index'); define('VBA_PORTAL', true); define('VBA_SCRIPT', 'CMPS'); // ============================================ // Enter the full path to your forum here // Example: /home/vbadvanced/public_html/forum // ============================================ $forumpath = '/home/orchidge/public_html/forum'; // ============================================ // No Further Editing Necessary! // ============================================ if ($forumpath) ( if (!is_dir($forumpath)) ( echo 'Invalid forum path specified! Please edit this file and be sure to include the correct path for your $forumpath variable.'; exit; ) chdir($forumpath); ) $phrasegroups = array(); $globaltemplates = array(); $actiontemplates = array(); $specialtemplates = array(); require_once('./includes/vba_cmps_include_template.php'); require_once('./global.php'); print_portal_output($home); ?> Firefox says it's a application/x-httpd-php

There seems to be a division amongst the SF writers. There are those who see science as the part of the solution to a brighter future, mostly out there somewhere, like Asimov, Clark and Heinlein and the younger generation of wsriters, who see more the scary side, mostly here on Earth. Since a large part of the people now seem to be afraid of anything scientific, unless it has to do with computer games, they of course write for those readers.