Marilyn (fammsimm) - "Must this be done immediately or is it possible to freeze (or refrigerate) the dough for future baking? Any tips you could share?" The dough cycle on your bread machine is designed to make the dough only, up to the point where it needs to be formed, allowed to rise once more, then baked. This particular cycle feature comes in handy when you want to take the dough and make dinner rolls, hamburger/hot dog buns, cinnamon rolls, English Muffins, bread sticks, pizza, calazone, bierocks, kolaches, panned or free-formed loaves, etc. Things that must be formed and baked in your conventional oven. I'm a do-it-now personality, so I remove the dough from the bread machine and form, rise, and bake. The only time I retard bread dough (or items made with bread dough) is if I have too much to be accomodated in the oven and I don't want to risk over-proofing the dough before I can get it baked. So if I make 4 loaves and my oven only accodomates 2 loaves, I'll form the loaves, cover with plastic wrap, place 2 in the refrigerator to slow down the rising, allow the other two to raise, and bake. About the time the first two go into the oven, bring out the refrigerated loaves, and allow them to finish proofing. They should be ready to go into the oven about the time the first two come out. I also refrigerate half the dough when I make English Muffins because it's easier to work with in smaller amounts. It's all about timing and years of mistakes and experience. Bread is a very humbling thing... Here's where it can get tricky...especially for newbies. Can the dough be refrigerated? Yes. It's called retarding the dough. You can retard formed loaves for a few hours or dough for up to 5 days. To retard dough, you will need to remove it from the bread machine BEFORE it goes through a rise cycle (as soon as it stops kneading, remove it) to retard the dough in the refrigerator for later use. The dough will continue to rise, even in the cold confines of the refrigerator, and you may occasionally need to knock the dough down. The dough needs to be well-covered in a sealed dough-rising bucket, or a bowl covered with plastic wrap so the "skin" of the dough doesn't dehydrate in the refrigerator. A helpful hint when making refrigerator dough: they keep best if there is some potato - or any pureed vegetable - (mashed potatoes, potato flakes, etc.) in the recipe. The potato preserves moisture in the dry climate of the refrigerator. But any type of dough can be refrigerated successfully for a short period of time, up to 12-24 hours. If you are going to keep it for several days, you will want to choose a recipe with some potato in it. Most refrigerator dough is ready to use after 8 hours, and will keep for up to 5 days. When you are ready to use refrigerated dough, punch it down. Shape, cover, let rise and bake. One of the famous recipes for this type of dough is Betty Crocker Potato Refrigerator Dough. You can Google the recipe to give you an idea of what you can make with refrigerator dough, even though it's not a bread machine recipe. Retarding dough in the refrigerator is also a way to add flavor to the bread. Can the dough be frozen? Yes. It is best if you form it before you freeze it, and needs to be used within 4 weeks, whereas baked bread can keep for 3 months in the freezer. Check the link below for complete information about freezer dough. I'm like many of the others, I only use my bread machine for making dough. I don't even let it rise in the bread machine. I use a dough rising bucket instead, so that I can judge when the dough has doubled. Dough doesn't rise to a clock and it's easy for dough to over-proof in a bread machine. But bread machines are great labor-saving devices when it comes to kneading. I have carpal tunnel and tennis elbow in both arms and wouldn't trade my Zojirushi for anything (other than another Zojirushi). The bread machine is what I use to make all our yeast and sourdough breads and I bake some kind of bread/s at least once or twice a week. -Grainlady Here is a link that might be useful: Baking 911 - freezing bread dough

Marilyn, my recipe for Sally Lunn doesn't get kneaded, it's a batter bread. The directions specifically say NOT to knead it. Sally Lunn 1 package (1/4 ounce) active dry yeast 1/2 cup warm water (110° to 115°) 1 cup warm milk (110° to 115°) 1/2 cup butter, softened 1/4 cup sugar 2 teaspoon salt 3 eggs 5-1/2 to 6 cups all-purpose flour 1. In a large bowl, dissolve yeast in warm water. Add the milk, butter, sugar, salt, eggs and 3 cups flour; beat until smooth. Stir in enough remaining flour to form a soft dough. DO NOT KNEAD. Place in a greased bowl, turning once to grease the top. Cover and let rise in a warm place until doubled, about 1 hour. Stir the dough down. Spoon into a greased and floured 10-in. tube pan. Cover and let rise until doubled, about 1 hour. bake at 400° for 25-30 minutes or until golden brown. Remove from pan to a wire rack to cool. Yield: 12-16 servings. Annie

I also use recipes interchangeably and haven't found a recipe that doesn't work both in the bread machine and by hand, as I only use the machine for kneading and then shape and bake in the oven. Everything from Grandma's old Farmhouse White to cinnamon rolls to whole wheat and rye loaves, they all work fine both by hand and in the machine. I agree that you need some more liquid/water in that hard to handle dough. I always check the machine and add more liquid if needed, I'd rather have a bit too much than not enough, I can always knead in a bit more flour if necessary. As plllog mentioned, you can add vital wheat gluten to the rye loaves for a bit more "oomph", rye flour is lower in gluten than wheat flour is. Bread is actually very forgiving, and I mess with it at whim. I want big holes I add more water, a dense loaf needs more flour, a tender loaf wants some milk and eggs, and I go by the way the dough "feels" more than anything. The only thing I've been unsuccessful at is a 100% whole wheat loaf with my own home ground flour. The results were consistent, they were all horrible. I finally just stopped, nothing helped that stuff and although I still grind wheat for flour, I use some of my own flour and some King Arthur flour for a passable loaf. Annie

I need some help with a recipe.. I've lost a notebook of my bread machine for some really good white sandwich bread that is made as dough in the breadmaker, then tucked and proofed a second time before baking off. As well as a muffaletta bread and and a few pickling recipes.. And after a few years of buying bread due to folks that were living in the house and have moved out.. I can start making homemade breads again. Anywho. I need a good old regular white and a not-dense wheat sandwich bread recipe that I can make in my bread machine as dough and turn out into a baking loaf pan for final proofing and baking off.