Thats one large pantry! Its probably larger than alot of kitches. It sounds like its not possible to adjust that wall, but I'd make a smaller pantry if I could. Love all the windows and roominess of the kitchen though!

I'd also probably try and fit one larger fridge/freezer in the kitchen or perhaps a single column fridge in the kitchen and put a single column freezer in the pantry. Thats a personal preference though and you'll likely get varied opinions on that one.

I've also seen people say the trash goes best with the prep area so it might be better to put it in the island and move the 2DB24 to where you have the trash? You'll want your trash next to where you unwrap meats for sure though. Not much worse than dripping blood on your floor as you walk over to the trash, IMHO.

I was going to suggest the trash situation should be rethought. Don't forget, you can have more than 1. We are doing one on each side of our island, so as the area near the bar and the prep area have a double, trash and recycling and on the other side near cleanup there will be a single. Although we can make it a double for no additional charge.

Otherwise, looks good to me.

And, I"m not sure if this matters to you. But, I realized that on those trash cabinets, it drives me crazy when it's door but there is a pull at the top center. I asked my cabinet maker if we could make it a bank of faux drawer fronts--sure, not additional charge. This way, to my eye, it makes sense to have a pull.

[

[traditional kitchen design[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/traditional-kitchen-ideas-phbr1-bp~t_709~s_2107) by other metros kitchen and bath Mullet Cabinet

bodhi and bee - great suggestion on the two trashes, I can see how having one in the prep area makes a lot of sense. likewise, bee, on the drawer design for the trash pull-out - I never would have thought of that but it does look so much nicer!

I'm not a big fan of sinks in bumped out windows. It makes your sink and two DW's beyond awkwark appearing and also much less functional by the time you account for all of the angles. I'd much rather see the eating area there and the kitchen occupying the playroom, breakfast, or dining space. Two large locations to eat aren't really needed in real life, especially for a young family. Nor is a designated playroom ever really needed. A playroom is good for all of 2-3 years tops. You just designate one of your dining spaces as playroom space, and reclaim it as adult space as they move out of the toddler phase. Elementary school kids will play outside or in their own rooms, not in a playroom under their parent's eye----unless they want to be unmercifully teased by their friends.

Two things struck me....the distance from fridge by eating area to sink, stove, seems like a lot--you'll get your exercise in! Also, assuming your great/living room is on the other side of the eating area, the dining room seems ill-placed in that corner. I know you can't change walls, but I would reverse the playroom and dining room...playroom mess is at least less visible in the corner, but you can still keep an eye on kids and guests aren't walking by the playroom to get to DR. Our formal living room was the playroom when kids were toddlers/preschoolers. We then inexpensively finished off the basement and that became their "playroom" from elementary through teen years when toy boxes and chalkboards gave way to guitars and drums. You could turn the playroom into an office/computer room in a few years....and you WILL want the computer where you can keep an eye on what they are doing!

I agree that the kitchen is awkwardly located and the whole traffic flow pattern doesn't work well. It needs a complete blank slate and try again approach. The bay window would be perfect for a banquette eating area and I wouldn't ever waste a window on a storage space like a pantry. You could have a pretty nice galley kitchen if you put it where the pantry space is now located and divided up the DR and play space into a pantry and dining area that was used as a play space until you could finish off the basement. A dedicated playroom is nothing but wasted space unless it can easily be repurposed to an office later. Yours is not really in the right location for that.

I don't even know how you'll use that second DW? The one next to the trash? I'm trying to visualize it open and you won't be able to stand in front of the sink. You'll be way off to the left. I have a corner sink in my current kitchen and the DW is right next to it - but there is a 3" filler so I can open it without moving from the front of my sink. I know this isn't a corner sink, but it still seems really difficult? Maybe you could put the second one in the island so 2 people could clean up at once? I don't know, I'm not one of the design gurus so maybe that's not the best idea...but seems a good job for a pre-teen in a few years? :)

Hi Folks - appreciate the feedback. Couple notes:

LiveWire, time will tell but I disagree on the playroom. We have an 18th month old and a 21 day old, and hope to have several more. That could mean we have toddlers for the next 5-6 years. Having a designated safe area within view of heavily used living areas seems pretty logical.

Showplace - two things:
1) How about a full height trash by the clean-up sink (window) and a 10" high wastebasket in a 12" drawer on the prep island? Someone on another forum posted this idea, and it seems to make sense since a prep wastebasket would be for trimmings and other organic stuff that needs to go out frequently...
2) I think I get what you're talking about with the pantry idea, but do you happen to have a link you might point me to?

Joanie: good points. We actually have a bonus room upstairs that will serve as the playroom when the kids get a bit older. At some point the playroom on the first floor will become an office. Til then we expect that most of the people we'll have over for dinner will also have kids of similar ages to ours, so our hope is that we can let the kids do their thing in the playroom or mingle in and out of the dining room/playroom while the parents enjoy dinner and some wine... Think that's realistic?

KathyNY - to the right of the diagonal DW is our trash in this design. Perhaps we swap the placement of those two so it goes DW, sink, trash, DW. That would create a little more standing room b/t sink and DW....???

Sounds like we have some thinking/work to do, so I welcome additional comments!

I love your large pantry. This would be a dream for me.
I do not have specific ideas but I do have some visual
ideas that you might like...Have you thought about
a potfiler? I ask because you have the space to do the
plumbing from your pantry.
And how about a hood? You have the space to do this too.
Here are some pics of Storage, details, clever creative extras.

HOw about a coffee nook in your pantry?? I would love this.

Pantries

Thanks, boxerpups! I love the shelving inside the hood and the chalkboards on the pantry door!

ShowplaceInsider, you are over the line in violating this forum's Terms of Use which forbids advertising. I suggest you stop the self promotion. You can participate and offer information and solutions to problems without hawking your wares so blatantly.

Now back to the newsroom.

I agree that the kitchen is awkwardly placed and that the bay would be much better served as a breakfast area than kitchen area. Also, take a look at your kids now and when you started planning this reno. Do you see how much they've grown? They grow fast, and a dedicated playroom that is so prominently in the center of the home isn't the best use of that space, even if you are planning more kids. Playrooms definately belong within the line of sight to the kitchen or living area, but they should also be able to be closed off completely with doors and made into an office later. That pushes them to the perimeter, as no one wants to use an office that is so open and exposed to the rest of the house. As long as you have one set of french doors to the room, and it's a high use room, it will be fine. I'd suggest swapping the DR with the playroom, as using a central location for family meals makes a lot more sense.

The whole thing needs tweaking though, because you really do not need that many spots for eating, and windows to storage areas are not the best idea for both the items stored and the use of the window to let light into the interior.

Don't know what you have planned for venting your cooktop/range but what if you swapped out your range to where your frig counter is now (right justify) and then put the frig adjacent to the back of the freezer that's in the pantry.

You would be able to vent directly outside (assuming you have a 2 story). You'd still have counters on the left and right of the range, just a little different on the right side.

Sounds like you'll need the play room for several years to come. I would plan though for the obsolesence of the room now so you can easily convert to something else down the line (wether you stay or sell).

My attention immediately went to the two fridges. I've had that setup and I found things went bad when stored in the pantry, mainly because I wasn't looking at it every day (out of sight out of mind!). I would upsize the fridge to give you the actual space you need in one location and/or consider doing a fridge and fridge drawers (for produce) in the island and a beverage center somewhere.
Other than that, I have to say I agree with swapping the playroom and dining room for all of the above reasons.

I would design a kitchen into the corner where the pantry is.
i would move the wall.