If you could read the "Layout Help" topic and answer the questions we ask there (as well as post the fully measured/labeled plan requested), it would be extremely helpful. Kitchen Design FAQ threads - they will explain things like work zones, aisles, island/peninsula seating, etc. These threads will help you understand questions/comments you will receive. Layout Help - FAQ for asking for layout help. It has a sample measured layout as well as a description of the other information we need . Layout Help: How do I ask for Layout Help and what information should I include? http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2767033/how-do-i-ask-for-layout-help-and-what-information-should-i-include . Kitchen Design FAQ threads: Kitchen work zones, what are they? http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3638270/faq-kitchen-work-zones-what-are-they Aisle widths, walkways, seating overhangs, work and landing space, and others http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3638304/faq-aisle-widths-walkways-seating-overhangs-work-landing-space-etc How do I plan for storage? Types of Storage? What to Store Where? http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/3638376/faq-how-do-i-plan-for-storage Ice. Water. Stone. Fire (Looking for layout help? Memorize this first) http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2699918/looking-for-layout-help-memorize-this-first

I greatly appreciate the input! Here's what I've come up with for the rework with your help: Eliminate the 9" full height base cabinets by the range. Good they are useless. You don't need more cabinets. You need less cabinets that are larger. Instead: 21" drawer base to the right of range, 21" drawer base immediately to the left of range and 18" drawer base next to that. No. Move the range and and instead do 1 30" cabinet to the left of the range and one 30" cabinet to the right of the range. 3 drawers for each cabinet. You'll get a lot more storage than a useless and too small 21" cabinet and will allow you to put pots and pans next to the stove instead of constantly having to turn 180 degrees to grab pots and pans. The idea is to make the kitchen as easy to work in as possible and to get as much storage as possible. You can add dividers inside the drawers but you can't make too small drawers wider. After some additional thought I think I’m going to remove the drawer base next to the dishwasher. Instead, I’ll make that a full height door cabinet for baking sheet/cutting board storage. It’s 15” and we find the 12” we currently use a bit tight. I think this will also be more aesthetically pleasing as it will mirror the sink base and corner cab. I could also put the trashcan pull out there... but feel like it will have better function being on the range side of the island. Open to thoughts on this. Put the trash cans there. When we cook, we take food out of the fridge, bring it to the sink to wash and prep between sink and stove. You create more steps by having to bring food to the island to prep and then possibly running back and forth between island and sink to rewash stuff, etc and then bringing it once again across the aisle to the stove. Put the cookie storage in the island. This way you can have a base 15" cookie storage on the island and instead of two 27" drawers, have one 15" drawer and one nice sized 39" drawer on the island. Much more functional. (Do you see a theme here where larger drawers are better?) Additionally since baking doesn't require much in the way of water, your island can become your baking station more easily. Here's my next question. In those drawer bases next to range.... 2, 3, 4 drawers? Preferably would like to have them all have the same number. I’m leaning toward 3, but open to suggestions on This as well. Agree 3 drawers. That's what I have and it's perfect. That will allow for most of your pots and pans in the middle and bottom drawers. I appreciate everyone chiming in helping us make this kitchen the best it can be.

Thanks for your comments so far! @ HU-924188966 While one could go under the hob, I love having pot/pan drawers under the hob, and putting a 30" oven under a 36" hob requires 3" of filler on either side, which wastes precious space. It's certainly possible, but a trade-off. @ chicagoans I'm not a fan of the range for this kitchen. We often have a lot of pots/pans going at once, including a very large cast iron pan, and need the 36" of cooktop real-estate. We also really want induction, and are pretty set on the Thermador Freedom cooktop. Wanting the features of the Freedom cooktop locks us into not having a range, and also 36" ovens I find impractical - they take forever to heat up, often don't heat evenly and I've never needed that much width. @ HU-918119203 It's a very interesting house that has had many lives - at one point it was divided into two apartments (the vestiges of a second kitchen are still on the main floor. I've attached some site photos. We've been there 5 years and finally ready to start fixing its problems. I hear you on the peninsula location regarding the views. However, cooking is a well-loved hobby for us, and being able to see out while cooking seemed more of a priority than during the few moments of eating breakfast, and it's nice for people to be able to sit/hang out/interact with the cooks without being in the cooking space. If we made the kitchen a small enough U to allow for a banquet, the sink ends up in a corner and its's not really a two-cook kitchen. We currently have a 48" wolf open-burner range that came with the house. My issues with the 48" range are that the main oven is unnecessarily wide, and the second oven is uselessly small. The only thing I've ever been able to fit in in is a Pullman pan for making Rugbrød. I also don't need 8 burners, would never use a grill or griddle, and neither want to pay for, nor have room for, a range hood that wide. I've really wrestled with it, as I hate the idea of getting rid of a perfectly good, very expensive range that many people dream of having.

Here's another idea. It does reduce the refrigerator to 42" instead of 60", but it keeps the 24" freezer. You could put an extra refrigerator in your Mudroom (I saw you plan a Mudroom in your house planning thread). I would not, however, put it in the Pantry. Food storage should be cool, dry, and dark. Refrigerators & freezers put out moisture and heat continuously -- 24 hours/day, 7 days a week. While cooking in the pantry will do the same -- where do you think the moisture will be going when you dehydrate food? -- it won't be continuously. Definitely keep the pantry door open when cooking in there to help remove the moisture & heat being generated. Also be sure to have very good venting in the pantry to try to keep it as cool & dry as possible. I don't know if you plan any windows in the pantry, but if you are, don't! They let in heat, light, and, if humid outside, moisture. Since you're in Florida, I hope this wall is a north wall (less heat/light). Ideally, though, pantries should be inside rooms with no exterior walls. To accomplish that, you will have to redesign your home. Note that exterior walls should not be "wasted" with pantries, closets, & utility rooms. (Much like pantries, windows allow moisture & light into closets as well. Clothes storage should be dark, dry, & cool, just like food storage.) >>>>> Detailed Analysis <<<<< Before we begin, note that the measurements are based on "counting boxes", so they are only as accurate as the box size estimates. That's one of the main reasons we need actual measurements, not boxes to count. Hopefully, I counted correctly and estimated partial boxes correctly. This layout provides multiple Prep Zones, all of which have direct access to water. The three primary work zones (Prep, Cooking, Cleanup) are nicely separated and each has plenty of workspace. This allows multiple people to be working in the Kitchen at the same time. There are four potential Prep Zones. The Primary Prep Zone has 75" of counter space on one side of the prep sink in the island and 42" on the other side of the prep sink. The 2-bin trash pullout is in this Prep Zone and near the Cooking Zone (the best setup). Three Secondary Prep Zones also have direct water access om either side of the cleanup sink in the Cleanup Zone an on the far side of the prep sink in the island. (Note: Far more trash & recyclables are generated during prepping and cooking than any other activity and for a longer period of time* -- even if you compost!) With the Primary Prep Zone in the island with a large sink and plenty of workspace, you can prep in the island facing the great view (I assume that's the lake view) as well as visit with others who are sitting at the island. The Cleanup Zone is separated from the Primary Prep Zone and the Cooking Zone - this will allow someone to be cleaning up, loading the DW, or unloading the DW while others are prepping & cooking. The Cleanup Zone also has a single-bin trash pullout, if desired. Dish Storage is also in the Cleanup Zone and outside the Primary Prep Zone & Cooking Zone (again, the best setup). Not only is dish & silverware storage next to & above the DW, but there is also a 39-inch wide drawer base in the island for additional dish storage. There is plenty of storage for serving dishes, prep dishes, etc., in the Kitchen. You also have plenty of storage in the Pantry. Small appliance storage (not larger ones like the dehydrator) can be stored in the corner susan. Corner susans have the advantage of always having what you want to retrieve in front, so not rooting around in the deep recess to find something. Simply rotate it until the item you want is in front. Today's corner susans have back walls that closely follow the contour of the shelves, so there's no space for things to fall off the shelves. The refrigerator & freezer are near the Cooking & Prep Zones as well as next to the Dining Room on the far left. Ideal for both prepping/cooking and setting the table with condiments, etc. There is a tall oven cabinet with a MW on top and a wall oven below. The MW could be either a built-in with trim kit or it could be an alcove that you put a countertop model in. The alcove will need an outlet and should be fully finished inside to match the cabinets outside. Be sure to make it large enough to allow required air clearance on all sides, the back, and the top. The space b/w the refrigerator/freezer & oven cabinet is for landing zone for both as well as to add a bit of space b/w them since ovens put out heat when in use. (The effectiveness of insulation in ovens varies by manufacturer, so plan for some space b/w them.) The Pantry...I modified it a bit. Along the right wall there are cabinets so you can work there and use your various large appliances. Don't forget to include several outlets -- I recommend one every couple of feet so you will have plenty to choose from without having to stretch cords or move the larger appliances around. You should be able to use each one right where it is on the counter. Along the "top" & "bottom" walls are floor-to-ceiling shelves for food storage -- store-bought food, food you've canned, etc. The shelves are shallow so things won't get lost on them. By moving the door so it's flush with the perimeter counters, you gain an additional 2 feet of floor-to-ceiling shelving. Plus, the space is no longer "wasted". The island not only has the Primary Prep Zone and a Secondary Prep Zone, but it also has seating for five, with one around the corner. Island seating is much more pleasant when it's on two sides so people can actually look at each other rather than sitting like ducks in a row. I don't know the dimensions of the Dining Room and how far to the left it extends, but I think you should have enough space to have at least 60" b/w the island and the table. I show more, but that's my "guess". If you're short on space over there, I recommend a rectangular table b/c you gain about 6" left-to-right with a 42"D table rather than a 48"D table. It's up to you, but whatever you do, be sure you have at least 60" b/w the island and table since they both have seating. (Even if you plan to never have seating in both locations at the same time, it will happen anyway -- accept that and plan for it.) I think that's it, so here are the layouts!