Lennox X19 with CBX40uHV Air Handler Question(s)

14 years ago

Hello,

I have decided to more than likely go with Lennox. I had four different companies come out once I decided on Lennox to see what was the best price and etc.

I've narrowed it down to two companies.

One quoted me for a XP19-036 with a CBX40UHV-048

The other was a quote for a XP19-036 with a CBX40UHV-036.

The -036 lowered our rebate from our power company; however still same rebate from Lennox.

Anyone know why one would quote for a 048 vs a 036?

I understand the 048 is bigger though.

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sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
I forgot to add. Three companies quoted for the CBX40UHV-048. Whereas only one quoted for the CBX40UHV-036.
ryanhughes
14 years ago
More efficiency with the 048. The 048 is needed if you want to qualify for the $1500 tax credit.
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sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
Ah okay Great. Also does the CBX40UHV-036 qualify for the tax credit?
ryanhughes
14 years ago
No, the CBX40UHV-036 falls short of the required EER rating, so it does not.
sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
Wow it doesn't. LOL. The guy that came out said it did; they seem like a more informed and knowledage company.

Thanks for that catch.
tigerdunes
14 years ago
sungawd

I am sure you are paying a premium price for this Lennox system.

see the AHRI Performance numbers.

3292037 Active Systems XP19 SERIES LENNOX INDUSTRIES, INC. XP19-036-230* CBX40UHV-048*+TDR 36000 12.70 18.60 32200 9.30 19500 1 HRCU-A-CB

While you don't say the area you live, I have to point out that this system is short a full 10% on heating BTUs for a three ton HP condenser. What kind of nonsense is that?
If heating is just as important as cooling then you should consider this.

I am not a fan of these two stg systems. Take a look at the numbers on the Carrier Performance 15 "H" model.

1125695 Active Systems PERFORMANCE 15 PURON HP CARRIER AIR CONDITIONING 25HPA536H30 FV4BNB006 36000 13.00 16.00 36000 9.30 21800 1

IMO
ryanhughes
14 years ago
Tiger from another posting I recall the OP is in Florida, so heating is of little importance. With 18.6 SEER I think the Lennox is an excellent choice for the given situation.
tigerdunes
14 years ago
for Florida OK since heating would not be as important as cooling. However, I stand by statement about these two stg systems. Pricey and certainly not necessary for over 99% of average homeowners. if you have deep pockets, then go for the two stage.

IMO
ryanhughes
14 years ago
Here's a link (below) to the OP's first posting here. Generally I agree that 2-stage units are not really necessary with a good, properly-sized single-stage system. But, being in Florida with high humidity, and given all the rebates the OP can obtain, 2-stage just makes sense.

Sungawd, what was the final price on the system you would have to pay after all credits/rebates are considered? The way I read your old post makes it seem like it's under $5,000.

Here is a link that might be useful: First Post
sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
Right,

Its under $5,000 if you include the tax rebate of $1500. However, that depends on what company I select. I also have to then add $650 for a 10 year labor warranty through Lennox 3rd party. Along with a Heat Recovery Unit.

So that jumps the price back up.

Hopefully get this all figured out and decide by Tuesday / Wed.
sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
Hey Ryan or anyone else,

Question for you.

To qualify for the tax credit, the system has to meet ALL of these #'s correct?

Residential
Air-Source Heat Pump

Split:
HSPF >= 8.5
and
EER >= 12.5
and
SEER >= 15

http://ari.org/Content/FederalTaxCredits_896.aspx

It says AND but just double checking and being safe.
sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
It has to meet or exceed for EACH one I should ask. Not be lower.

I.E. What if 2 qualify such as HSPF is 9.3 and SEER is 17.75 but the EER is 12. That would FAIL then correct?

It has to be 12.5 or higher.
tigerdunes
14 years ago
sungawd

has to meet all three qualifying parameters-SEER, EER, HSPF

an EER of 12 would fail...

IMO
ryanhughes
14 years ago
Yes, and that's why the 048 air handler is needed. The 036 would not allow the system to qualify with the EER or 12. The 048 is the air handler you want.
sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
Hopefully one last question. Under the tax credit system.

What is a split system vs a packaged system?

I have a outdoor unit and then a air handler in the garage.
ryanhughes
14 years ago
You have a split system. A package setup is an all-in-one system (rooftop units).
tigerdunes
14 years ago
sungawd

while not familiar with Lennox air handlers, there are several system configurations with the XP19 HP that qualify for the tax credit.

see below..

551503 Active Systems XP19 SERIES LENNOX INDUSTRIES, INC. XP19-036-230* CBX32MV-048-230* 36000 12.70 18.60 32200 9.30 19500 1
3291964 Active Systems XP19 SERIES LENNOX INDUSTRIES, INC. XP19-036-230* CBX40UHV-042*+TDR 35600 12.50 17.60 32000 9.10 19500 1

3292037 Active Systems XP19 SERIES LENNOX INDUSTRIES, INC. XP19-036-230* CBX40UHV-048*+TDR 36000 12.70 18.60 32200 9.30 19500 1

there may be some price difference. system #1 is the highest in sales volume.

since Ryan is the resident Lennox expert, perhaps he can explain the differences.

IMO
sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
Just curious, why is the Air handler - CBX32MV-48 the highest in sales volume compared to the CBX40UHV-048? Any major difference?

I've been quoted for both with CBX32MV-48 costing $310 more.
sungawd
Original Author
14 years ago
Also the total rebate for the CBX32MV-48 is $780 vs for the CBX40UHV-048 having a rebate of $1080.
ryanhughes
14 years ago
The CBX40UHV is a new air handler (still variable speed) with the MERV 16 pleated filter cabinet built in. That's why it wouldn't be the highest sales volume combo. My only complaint about it is the added height, but if height isn't a problem, it's easier than purchasing and installing the external filter cabinet.

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