Worth the cost of bringing Natural Gas to Property?
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Gas + induction modules - anyone have? worth doing?
Comments (38)Thanks for the kind words. Lalitha! The induction is three elements. It's 2/3 of the 36" unit you can see in the stores (or was last year...). From the planning guide "Three cooking zones: One induction cooking zone ø 15 cm (1400 W, with booster 1800 W) [small ring]. One induction cooking zone ø 21 cm (2200 W, with booster 3300 W) [medium ring]. One induction cooking zoneø 18 cm (1800 W, with booster 2500 W) [center ring of large element] addition increases cooking zone to ø 28 cm (3600 W, with super booster function 4400 W) [outer ring plus center ring = large element]" The Wolf gas is "One medium 12,000 Btu/hr sealed burner with 800 Btu/hr delivered at simmer. One small 9,200 Btu/hr sealed burner with 300 Btu/hr delivered at simmer." The small, front one is about 9" square, and the medium, rear one is about 10"x13" I find this configuration very adaptable. Sometimes I'm trying to make a one pot quickie, which is often on the large induction element. Or I'll do a pot and a pan, with one on the large element, and one on the front medium element. These are things like pasta with vegetables, or a saute and a sauce. A few weeks ago I was making burritos to freeze. I had already made the meat in the oven and shredded it. I had the rice simmering in a large shallow pot (Le Creuset "braiser"), on the large induction element, and my Le Creuset small, square grill plate on the small gas burner for toasting the tortillas. It actually does work on the induction, and would have meant less fiddling with the heat, but it just seems wrong. Standing between the two really drove home how hot the gas is. It was on low-medium and my left side was hot, and my right side, stirring the rice, wasn't! For Passover Seder, I had the matzah balls on the back burner, the chicken soup on the large induction burner, smaller things off and on on the smaller induction burners, and the teakettle on the small gas. I did the large pot of tzimmis (roots and fruits) early and was holding it in the warming drawer. I would have done the same thing even if I twice the number of burners. Heating up the chicken broth is nothing. I wanted anything I needed to pay attention to over by that point. Meats in the ovens, and casseroles in the Advantium on oven setting. I just bought some chicken to make meatballs out of, and some red peppers for the sauce. I'll char the peppers on the gas (I even have a little mesh style barbecue grill that sits on the grate), and cook the chicken balls in a braiser on the large induction element. I'll probably make the mother sauce on the medium induction element, though if I do a saute as well, I'll do that there, and the sauce on the small gas. Most people rarely use more than three burners at once. As I said, even when I could need five or six, I'd rather use the warming drawer and three or four. And I have an electric kettle which I could use if I needed to free a hob. There are a few things which I make, which theoretically have half a dozen different pots all hot at once and combined only at plating, but even those can be done in shifts given a warming drawer or hot plate. I wanted the 24" induction because I wanted the big, powerful element and didn't want to devote the money or space to two Gaggenau dominoes to accomplish the same thing. For less than a quarter of what the two pieces would have cost me, I got the same function in 6" less counter, and a couple inches less vertical depth. The drawer underneath and the hood are both 48" wide. As you can see, I gained a couple of precious counter inches in the corner, and several on the right, which is my secondary prep area (by the clean-up sink). And I got the cool magnet knob. :)...See MoreCost of Extending Natural Gas Line to Deck
Comments (11)A few years ago I called the gas company about extending our natural gas service about 35 feet across the crawl space from the area where our fireplace, furnace and water heater are located to the kitchen. When they said over $2,000 I decided I didn't want a gas stove that much and forgot about the whole thing. But now I want to build a patio with a natural gas fire pit and grill, so I'm going to reinvestigate the gas line extension issue. I've gone to Home Depot and checked out gas pipes, materials and fittings. I could be wrong but this project shouldn't be any harder or more expensive than things I do all the time. I'm wondering if the gas industry people are pricing their work based on a fear that if we touch any gas related things we're going to blow ourselves up. This is crazy, and it has resulted in us placing a propane gas bomb right under our cooking surface, rather than obtaining our gas through a small line that supplies us with what we need in small measured amounts. If I can't find someone who will do what I want for a reasonable price I'm going to do this myself....See MoreEnergy cost - heat pump vs. natural gas
Comments (11)I was trying to gauge the cost(for natural gas) when my furnace has run(consumed gas) for an hour's time. I did it two ways. First I just took the BTU input rating of the furnace and did the calculations from there. Then someone pointed out that the BTU input rating may not be an actual value. So secondly I needed to determine the amount of gas my furnace is actually consuming per hour. Here are the particlars: 1. I have Goodman model GMPN100-4 furnace. (natural gas, single stage, pilotless and an input rating of 100,000 BTU per Hour) FIRST WAY USING BTU INPUT RATING: 1.One cubic foot of natural gas has about 1,030 BTU. 2.Divide the furnace input rating(in my case 100,000) by 1030 to get the number of cubic feet of gas the furnace will use in one hour. So 100,000(BTU) divided by 1030(BTU per Cubic Foot) is about 97 Cub Feet. 3.My supplier's bill is based on units of one hundred cubic feet(CCF) so I divide 97 cubic feet by 100 to determine how many CCF the furnace will burn per hour. This turns out to be 0.97 CCF 4.My supplier charges $.745 per CCF so it costs me 0.97 times $.745 = $.72 per hour for natural gas for my furnace to run. SECOND WAY BY DETERMINING ACTUAL GAS CONSUMPTION: As stated above someone pointed out that the BTU input rating may not be an actual value. So I wanted to determine how much gas the furnace was consuming per hour. My gas meter has a 2 cubic foot dial. I set a video cam in front of the gas meter in the morning knowing the furnace would be on for at least 20 minutes to bring the house up to temperature from the night's setback. The furnace did run for about 20 minutes but I stopped my readings at 10 minutes. Here are some findings: In 5 minutes the furnace consumed 7.6 cubic feet of gas. In 10 minutes the furnace consumed 15.2 cubic feet of gas. So 15.2 cubic feet of gas in 10 minutes extrapolated out to 60 minutes would be 91.2 cubic feet gas per hour or 0.912 CCF/hr. At $.745 per CCF the cost is about $.68 per hour. From the input rating data (100,000 BTU/hr) I calcualted .97 CCF/hr. So the actual gas consumption was a little bit less that the input rating. Now some Notes: 1. My gas bill is broken down to a charge for gas consumption, a customer service charge of like $21 a month and of course the tax on the consumption charge. So it's pretty straightforward how much the gas costs per hundred cubic feet. This month gas was $.745 per CCF. 2. No other gas consuming appliances(oven, stovetop or hot water heater) were firing at the time of testing. 3. I understand that outside temp, thermostat setting and how well my home is insulated are factors as to HOW OFTEN the furnace will run. That wasn't my concern. I only wanted to know how much gas was consumed when the furnace ran for an hour. How that hour was achieved was not important. It could of been 60 continuous minutes or six 10-minutes cycles. In my case I took a 10 minute run cycle and multiplied that amount of gas usage by 6. I have since I've hooked up the following 24V hour meter to the gas valve: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/REDINGTON-Hour-Meter-2PPV9?Pid=search The meter progresses in tenths of an hour increments anytime the gas valve is open. I can tell how long the furnace runs each day, month or season. This helps with filter changes also. I've found that about every 125 hours the filter is dirty enough to be replaced....See MoreNatural gas cost to run furnace
Comments (9)My gas meter also has a 2 cubic foot dial. I set a video cam in front of the gas meter in the morning knowing the furnace would be on for at least 20 minutes to bring the house up to temp from the night's setback. In 5 minutes the funace consumed 7.6 cubic feet of gas. In 10 minutes the funace consumed 15.2 cubic feet of gas. I also timed how long it took per revolution of the 2 cubic foot dial. That was determined to be 1 minute 19 seconds to 1 minute 20 seconds. So 15.2 cubic feet of gas in 10 minutes extrapolated out to 60 minutes would be 90.8 cubic feet gas per hour which is a little over 93000 BTUs....See Moredavid_cary
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