Help with Zero entry, curbless Shower
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Shower Layout Help (Doorless/Curbless)
Comments (0)What started out as a repair job has turned into a shower remodel. We are not ready to gut the entire bathroom so we want to start with just the shower (which also requires moving a toilet). I've read other posts in hopes of answering some of my questions, but since every shower is different, I thought I could get some specific advice for our situation. I have attached our bathroom layout. The existing shower is in the same spot as shown. It is currently 48" deep (east to west) but only 32" wide (north to south). We want to make it 48" or longer in the north to south direction. The drawing shows 48", but we can go longer, if recommended. Our plan is to make the walls labeled W1 and W2 half walls with tile on the bottom and glass on top. We would like doorless and are also contemplating curbless. Here are some initial questions: 1 - Will this layout be asthetically pleasing or should it be modified? 2 - Will this layout work without a door? The entry to the shower is labeled "A". 3 - We would like the option of adding a frameless door in the future if we aren't happy with doorless. What size should the opening "A" be to accommodate the smallest standard size (eg inexpensive) frameless door? 4 - How high should half-walls W1 and W2 be? How high should glass on top of these half-walls be? 5 - How far should the center of the toilet be from the wall labeled W1? As drawn, the distance is 18". 6 - What is a comfortable distance from the showerhead to the southern wall? As drawn, the distance is 18". 6 - Will a curbless shower cost significantly more than a curb shower? From what I've read, it seems like a curbless shower requires the subfloor to be lowered and also requires a channel drain ($450 for a channel drain!?!?). 7 - For a curbless shower, would the floor need to be sloped more than if we had a curb? If so, would this slope be too steep or feel awkward? Thanks in advance for all the advice -- I'm sure I'll have more questions soon....See MoreHelp with curbless shower and overall bathroom remodel
Comments (4)Mongo, Tundra, Thanks to the both of you. Part of my concern was how to accomplish the slope with concrete. I'll be blunt, my concrete skills suck and pouring a sloped pad was likely to be well outside my skills range. Tundra, thanks for the pictures, they clarified a great deal. It's true that a picture is worth a thousand words because I don't know how you could describe what you did without at least some drawings but the pictures tell the tale just fine. Above is a piss poor rough drawing of the floor plan of my bathroom. As you can see my intention is to install the drain at the far side of the shower enclosure. My wife has requested that she be able to spray down the whole bathroom with a hose. I'm guessing that to allow for that would make the bathroom "wet"?? My current working thought is to pour the pad in two stages. The first would be about 2 to 2-1/2" below the existing grade. The other would be 2" below that. The demarcation like would be the beginning of the shower enclosure area. The purpose of pouring it so low is so that I could use deck mud to create a dual slope from the edges to center and from right to left (as seen from diagram). I was thinking 1/8" per linear foot of drop for the primary bathroom area and somewhere in the range of 1/4-1/2" drop for the shower proper. I would mud out the preliminary slope with it all rolling into the weep holes of the drain assembly. I would then membrane the whole thing. I'd membrane the walls in the primary bath area up to the 4' mark since that's how high my tile is going to go. I'd membrane the shower area all the way to the ceiling since that's how high the tile will go in there. On top of the membrane I'm planning to make a final deck mud slope that I would then thinset the tile to. I'm using 3/4" pennyround mosaic for the floor and ceiling so adjusting to the slope won't be an issue. As I said, that's the current mental formulation, pending feedback and ideas. As with all battle plans it's not likely to survive contact with the enemy. Mongo, don't fret about rambling. As you might have noticed I'm a bit on the verbose end of things myself. To Mongo and Tundra, thanks again for your prompt response and insightful advise. It was, in part, your commentary on other threads that led me to post this question on this forum. Cheers....See MoreZero Entry Shower Advice
Comments (27)Please point out any current 2018 code alterations that have superseded the 2015 IRC. P2709.1 Construction. Where a shower receptor has a finished curb threshold, it shall be not less than 1 inch below the sides and back of the receptor. The curb shall be not less than 2 inches and not more than 9 inches deep when measured from the top of the curb to the top of the drain. The finished floor shall slope uniformly toward the drain not less than 1/4 unit vertical in 12 units horizontal (2-percent slope) nor more than 1/2 unit vertical per 12 units horizontal (4-percent slope) and floor drains shall be flanged to provide a water-tight joint in the floor. _______ If someone is doing curbless with a wink and nod that "the codes just haven't caught up yet", they are technically correct. What they are failing to say out loud so that it is clear is that they are currently doing projects that are also technically incorrect and against the as written current code. Also, the failure to over emphasize that the waterproofing needs to extend beyond the shower to create a wetroom environment means that those without their attention to detail or professionalism tend to cherry pick what they want to hear from those posts. Most cubless that are being done are not being done at the high skill level that the posters here probably do them. Otherwise, there wouldn't be so much water damage and tearout happening....See Morecurb-less shower
Comments (15)Megan it’s unfortunately a really serious mess. I have to say I’ve been reading Houzz forums for years and have seen some really bad tile installs, and this is one of the worst, if not THE worst, I’ve ever seen. There’s just no way that what’s under that tile could be correctly done. It has to be completely torn out and redone from scratch by someone competent. It is true that the type of entry you want is more difficult than a curbed entry, and it will and should cost more because of the time and skill it requires. But this person is so incompetent that I wouldn’t let them redo the work even if you switch to a curbed entry. When it is being torn out, take the best pictures you can of what’s underneath, layer by layer. Also take excellent pictures and video before it’s taken out, and if any of the materials the installer used are still in your house, take photos of those as well. Get any markings or labels that identify the materials into the photos. All of this will help you prove the installer did not follow the TCNA standards Dragonfly showed above, so you can hopefully recoup anything you’ve paid, and get out of paying the rest. I would also find a really good tile installer (I’m sure you thought the first one was that) and see if you can pay an hourly rate for them to come look at this before taking it out. Ideally get something from them in writing about the quality and correctness of the work. I’m sorry you have to deal with this....See Moreelphaba_gw
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