I'm pretty sure the windows virus scan DIRE warning is a SCAM!! I had something pop up a few days ago that looked like my computer was FESTERING with awful stuff. Have a reliable virus protection, totally ignored the "warning", ran a scan just the same... and totally clean! Think when people see "windows" they assume it's legit... don't think so!?!

I finally got my call today! I was feeling left out. Man with thick accent said he had information about my computer. I could hear kids in the background. I was in the middle of starting dinner or I think I would have "played along" for a few minutes before hanging up. Instead, I just hung up, which is the best thing anyway.

Thanks raven. I looked at the first link you provided and I don't see anything that resembles what I had. So I still have a question. As I recall what popped up on my screen was something that looked like it came from Microsoft, said the computer was infected with a virus, and warned not to shut the computer off. It told me I should click to start the antivirus program. The first time it happened--when I fell for it--I assumed that it would run Windows Defender. My question is, then, does Microsoft ever do this? That is, if indeed I get a virus in the midst of searching the web, is there ever a legitimate Microsoft warning that pops up telling you not to shut the computer down and to click to run a scan? If not, then there's no problem with trying to find out what's legit and what is not. With whatever I got it was truly hard to tell. Thanks!

Martinca; who else in your family has joint pain? What I pasted in below is the 1st sign that this will probably be life long. I'm not sure they will get a good handle on it. Hyper-mobility of the joints is called EDS- Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (EDS) is a heterogeneous group of heritable connective tissue disorders, characterized by articular (joint) hypermobility, skin extensibility and tissue fragility. Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome (EDS) is a group of inherited disorders that affect connective tissue. Take a look at the link below; it opens the direct PDF location; you can either open or save it. Back around May; I made a post about Chiari Malformation for a friend. One of the gals here mentioned that she has EDS & little did I know that this would smack me in the face in another 6 weeks after my post. I had no clue what EDS even was; but I'm learning a lot & it's why I haven't been around much the last few months. My daughter has been majorly suffering for 3 years; guess what? Her mystery diagnosis will most likely be EDS. We saw the 1st neuro yesterday; have to find a geneticist probably endocrinologist & rheumatologist. People can live with varying degrees of EDS; some may never know they have it while others are wrongly diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Still others will be fine until like your grand daughter; injure themselves & do not heal right. There is no "test" to confirm EDS; from what I understand it goes off of symptoms which are many. How are her teeth? Please be careful with braces; from what I'm reading they actually weaken teeth- which fits in with my daughter & how her teeth are breaking at the gum. Another issue is she may not be able to be put down for surgeries. My daughter had a molar pulled a few weeks ago; they couldn't get the IV meds to knock her out. Back to her ankle; from what I do understand; the right physical therapist; possibly chiro may be able to work with her to strengthen it. I dislike the word cured because from what I'm reading with others diagnosed; she's going to have to keep working at it but with the correctly trained people. Send me an email; I'll get you set up at a decent facebook group. Inspire also has an EDS board. she is 13. She's had X-rays and MRI . We 've been told she has hyper- mobility of the ankle caused by weak ligaments , and perhaps exacerbated by an injury( sprain). Two months of pt and home exercises only caused more pain and no improvement. Here is a link that might be useful: So You Think You Might Have EDS?