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16 years ago

Toy poodle....as far as I can figure no papers....black un spayed female born July 09...

Shuttled from piller to post...originally belonged to the pet store people who had someone keep her while they "went away"...they kept her kenneled, they didn't want her and pet store people didn't want her back, so they put out the word and the Althoffs took her....but she wasn't "working out"..I called them and they said they had her 6 months and she wasn't getting along with their aged tea cup poodle so they found a friend of their daughter's 2 hours away who wanted a little dog....they took her for 2 weeks and now she's "not working out" there....she shows jealousy to their 18 month old baby and snaps at the child when he tries to get into his mother's lap....and she won't poop on a leash and pees and poops on the floor. Leah will bring the dog to my town, if I want to "try her out" she has a grandmother who lives here.

I called the vet and she is up on her shots but has not been heart worm checked nor spayed.

AND she sleeps in the bed with people....yowls in a kennel.

Is there hope of training this dog? Do I even want to see her? or should I keep on the puppy search?

All opinions gratefully received....

Dogless Linda!

Comments (48)

  • 16 years ago
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    She's still a puppy. I think if you can offer consistent kind training, she will respond well. It sounds as though no one has bothered to properly work with her.

  • 16 years ago
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    13-14 months old...I dunno, iffy.

    It all depends on what you are willing to put up with. What your limits are. This poor little sweetie sure doesn't need another foster home only to be moved on again.

    Sounds like it would be an undertaking requiring lots of time and attention....both of which I know you would give...if that's what you want to do.

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  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree with both posts and add to it, it sounds like she's having to vie for attention which you'll be able to give her loads of and, consequently, would likely settle down greatly. I really really feel for her. What will happen if you don't take her in?

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    First I want to tell you that I'm delighted to hear that you are looking for a doggie, and that you are considering giving a far better life to a pup that has had hard times.

    Only you can decide if this could be the right dog for you but, Ollie was totally untrained except for being housebroken, when we got him. He wanted attention, and at first had to be very close to one of us, but was neither aggressive nor did he shy away from anyone.

    As far as the training, I think it is very possible. Ollie is the first dog we didn't send to boarding school for training and I am so glad we went to school with him and got trained ourselves! I am absolutely amazed at the new psychology (new to me anyway) of training dogs.

    We didn't have a poop or pee problem but all of sudden our son's 5 year old Shih Poo starting peeing in the house. Our trainers advice was to kennel him again, as they did when they were doing housebreaking training initially, and treat and praise him lavishly when they let him outside and he did the right thing.

    As far as retraining the aggressive snapping and or barking at people (babies or adults), our trainer would have said to be right there with a treat in hand and call the dog to you, and treat her, the instant she started to come to you instead of moving towards the child or starting to bark. We used this tactic very successfully when Ollie started barking at everyone who came to our door, it even worked when I was upstairs and he was downstairs watching and barking as someone walked by the house. I would call him upstairs, making it sound like there was a fun party where I was and immediately treat him for coming. The trainers explanation was not, as I had thought, that he was protecting his new house but instead that he was afraid someone was going to take us away from him and he would have another loss.

    In the same way you can train her not to sleep in the bed, gently put her on the floor and praise and treat her (small treats over and over and over). As for yowling in the kennel, buy earplugs and ignore it. Tell her what a good girl she is when she's been quiet for a little bit and you release her and treat her. She'll adjust.

    I have really been amazed at what we have been able to do with Ollie, we had a perfect San Francisco vacation with him going out to lunch (long two hour lunches) three times with me to outdoor restaurants and to dinners at friends homes where his behavior was really really good. He was fine when we had to crate him twice in the apartment we rented when we went out to indoor restaurants - I'm sure he would have been fine uncrated but the responsible thing to do was to make sure he couldn't succumb to any temptation in a strange place when he was left alone.

    I hope you'll meet her - you'll know if you will love each other - and the training can happen. You know how smart poodles are, but you are smarter.

    If you want to talk, send me an email and I'll call you, or give you my cell number.

    I'll be watcching for updates.

    Lee

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I can't "meet her"...I am a push over.... if I meet a poodle without a home and I will cave!
    I am also concerned about the sorts of congenital problems which poodles are privy to....

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Sounds like no one has trained the poor thing at all. So if you are up to a doggy boot camp challenge, go for it Linda. She will need you to teach her who is boss, and what the boss expects, as soon as she steps foot in your home. Are you up to it?

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I thought sleeping in the bed was a good thing. I love sleeping with my dog and two cats..... it gets crowded, but I love it.

    Sounds like you have a tough decision to make, and only you will be able to make that call.

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I agree with the others, Linda. I believe she will present a challenge, but not one that can't be met/overcome.

    She needs some love and stability. So many people "don't want her" without really ever giving her what she needs to prove she's worthy of their love.

    Only you can make the decision, but I do believe if you decide to meet/adopt her, you have what it takes to teach her to be a great dog!

    Linda

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Linda, I know you are used to the toy size poodle, but have you ever considered the miniature poodle? I don't think they have the joint and hip issues that the smaller dogs might have. My Andy is now 12 years old and has never had any major illnesses. He is very healthy and the way he was running around the house last night, you would never know he was a "mature" doggie. He only weighs ten pounds and has never put on excess weight - could be why he is so healthy. He does have problems sometimes getting up the front porch steps....but then, I have problems getting up them myself at times. His legs are longer than a toy poodle's, but he is still a small dog.

    Teresa

  • 16 years ago
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    My first poodle was a miniature....she weighed about 15 pounds...at the top of the size scale for a miniature.
    I could do a 10 pound dog. But from my research, there isn't any difference in the hip problems etc with a toy or a standard....it's just something that seemed to come when poodles were so over bred and now has to be bred out of the line.
    Keep me in mind anyone who knows of a poodle breeder....NOT a puppy mill!!!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Sigh.....got a line on another baby...
    Think I'll send them a deposit tomorrow...
    This one's not free....but no bad habits to eradicate just new ones to create!
    I'll post a picture when I have put some money on the line...

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Can't wait to hear out it all turns out...I hope you find your heart's desire! Sending good thoughts your direction for the best match.

  • 16 years ago
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    Can't wait to see pictures!

  • 16 years ago
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    Can't wait to see your new baby ! Lucky puppy who is about to be spoiled rotten!.

  • 16 years ago
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    How exciting... do we need to have a puppy shower?

    Can't wait for the details.

  • 16 years ago
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    I mailed a deposit....won't consider it done until my check is cashed.
    She's a baby chocolate girl...still too young to leave the litter.
    Thanks to Clair de Luna for finding the breeder!

  • 16 years ago
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    Whoo Hoo! Congrats Linda!

  • 16 years ago
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    Is it time to start a post for name suggestions? If she's chocolate I suggest "MLC" (Molten Lava Cake) ---- everyone on here adores it! You could call here "Emmy" for short.

  • 16 years ago
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    MLC-- Emmy, how cute! I'm pleased to hear that you will have a new little girl to spoil, congrats!

  • 16 years ago
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    I am so happy for you as well as the new pup.

  • 16 years ago
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    I'm glad to read that you did that. I love chocolate dogs, my Roxie is a chocolate lab. Yippeee!

  • 16 years ago
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    Laughing....MLC was my late mother in law's initials and, not to her face, but we frequently referred to her as that...as in "I have MLC's paper work done" or I need to find a ride for MLC to the doctor"...
    Keep thinking....that was a good one....but I can't use it!

    Nancy my last 2 dogs were silver poodles...from the same breeder looked very much alike. so for 26 years I have had a silver poodle in the house....this will be a change!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Linda, You just made my day...I'm so glad I could help! I can't wait to see a picture. Do you have a birthday? Will she be a Cancer, Leo or Virgo?

  • 16 years ago
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    She was born Aug 2 ....she's a leo...as am I.
    Maybe Bijou?
    Tirimisu because she will have cafe au lait feet? and it means wake me up and I expect she will do that!
    Maybe Ghiardelli...called Della or Delli?
    maybe Chocolate...called Lotte? Cocoa is too common for a chocolate dog.
    Or Pinot Grigio in line with my past 2 poodles namde My Lady Chablis and Sterling Chardonnay or Shiraz...Bordeaux...but there is no call name for that...
    maybe Marsala...or Sherry...wrong color....

  • 16 years ago
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    Congratulations to both of you! I love chocolate poodles too and can't wait to see pictures.

    Lee, wishing a very long life filled with joy for both of you.

  • 16 years ago
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    Oh, That's Lovely! Another Leo, so you will understand each other completely! (At least my Scorpio dog and I certainly did. I knew how her mind worked anyway, which sometimes gave me an advantage.)

    How about Callebaut? (Shortened to Calle for real-life of course! A little like Chabby, only completely different.)

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    I'm so happy to hear this! I thought all brown poodles were named Coco, at least the ones I knew were named that. Maybe Farfel for the Nestle's chocolate dog. Kahlua?

    I was silently hoping you wouldn't take the one with bad habits. Some can be changed but many can't and then you must live with a bad dog or even worse, face getting rid of it. Or, maybe write a book a la Marley, and get rich.

    Anyway, I like poodles. My sister had one -- a standard. He was very smart. I hope you and little brownie are happy together!

  • 16 years ago
    last modified: 11 years ago

    Well no chocolate wines I can think of but maybe liquers.....

    Godiva
    Sabra
    Creme de cacao

    Not loving any of them.......well maybe Godiva has potential...I love Diva as a name!

  • 16 years ago
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    Bon-bon is cute.

  • 16 years ago
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    Our little chocolate dog is named "Mocha".

  • 16 years ago
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    I like Diva too....can't be Bon-Bon...there was once another well loved Bon_bon au Chocolat...and can't be Mocha...although I like that...it calls easily...but that's your dog's name.
    I'll bet there was never another dog named Chabby....and that's sort of what I am looking for.

  • 16 years ago
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    Congratulations, Linda. I had a small toy poodle when I was in high school, she was apricot. Her name was Fifi Antoinette, but we called her Judy, I don't know why, LOL.

    Too bad for the other poor doggie, though, I sure hope she finds someone to love her.

    Annie

  • 16 years ago
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    I feel sorry about the other poor dog....found out later from the original owner that they decided to go into greyhound rescue and the greyhounds would hurt the poodle so they gave her to someone to find a home for her.
    And as far as I know....there are no greyhounds that they have rescued.
    I can't save every homeless dog....although I would like to.

  • 16 years ago
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    "...Greyhounds would hurt the poodle..." Odd. I don't have a lot of Greyhound experience but the one I do know is a race track rescue and she is just a sweetie pie.

  • 16 years ago
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    Linda best of luck with little chocolate baby.... as far as name suggestions, well.....

    Caro (from carob)
    Treacle
    Beurre Noisette or Beurre Noir

    keep us posted

    Alexa

  • 16 years ago
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    Cafe Au Lait or Laylie/Laylee/Layla

  • 16 years ago
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    Eileen, I agree, I've known a couple of rescued greyhounds and they were sweethearts, I can't imagine them aggressive.

    Linda, none of us can rescue them all. Sigh. And that's why I no longer volunteer at the animal shelter, I just donate. I'd have to get a kennel license for all the animals I'd bring home!

    Annie

  • 16 years ago
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    Latte. It's a name I've always loved, but haven't had an opportunity to use it yet.

  • 16 years ago
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    Can't wait to see pictures of the little darling. I'm so happy for you Linda.

    As for names chocolate related, how about "Truffle"

    Ann

  • 16 years ago
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    Rhona, for Valrhona? At least it's French!

  • 16 years ago
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    Cookie!

    And I want to see puppy pictures very, very soon!

  • 16 years ago
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    Cookie was another dearly beloved poodle belonging to a very good friend! LOL! Her name was Colette called Cookie.
    Also thought of Mochachino called Chino or China.
    And also Creme du Chocolatte....called Latte.

  • 16 years ago
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    Congrats on your new puppy Linda! I agree that the other poodle may have been a huge challenge to train. Still feel sorry for the little one and hope she finds a loving home.

    There was a chocolate lab up at the lake with the name of Candy. Simple and plain though. She and Lucy would play together when they were up for the weekend. Just like kids, she would come over and see if Lucy could come to play. : )

    I'll be waiting on pics too!

    David

  • 16 years ago
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    My friends, the Hersheys, always have a chocolate lab or 2...
    Can't remember the names over the years...but with that last name it was all a natural...once they had a chocolate and a light yellow....called Hugs and Kisses.

  • 16 years ago
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    Sable, Sepia, Sienna, Biscotti, Biscuit, Henna, Mahogany, Topaz, Cinnamon, Praline.

  • 16 years ago
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    Barnmom's suggestions reminded me of my own dog's name, so I have to tell the story. My children were about 7 years old when we were searching for a sable colored collie. We had gone to a collie show and we saw a collie named "Topaz". My son thought that was really cool and said "Mom, when we get our collie I want to name her Tanzanite because you love that stone." Well, the rest of us tried to explain to him that Topaz was a great name for a sable colored dog because a topaz is brown colored, but Tanzanite would be kind of silly because they are blue-ish. He kept insisting and we just rolled our eyes and figured we'd deal with it when we finally found a dog. Several months later our breeder called and said she had a litter with a sable female that she could sell to us because she had a fleck of blue in her eye and she could not be shown. My son was thrilled and we all agreed that Tanzanite was the perfect name since she has a Tanzanite in her eye. We call her Tanzi and know that she was meant for our family. We love the blue in her eye.

  • 16 years ago
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    Sometimes you know when as my daughter says "When you look in to that little face"...a strong contender is Creme de Chocolate....called Latte and for no reason other than I love the opera...Tosca!...but she would have to be a "Tosca" kind of dog!! Vain, jealous and willing to kill for those she loves!

  • 16 years ago
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    But of course! She's a Leo after all.

    Great name! You're on your way...How soon will you get to bring her home?