Wow Pam!
Me personally, I'd make a complaint with the police. Go to the precinct and report the nudity. Make note of the time of day. Then let the police handle it.
Btw...do I know of this family?

Cheers!
Susie

Ps....if you want, ill stop over and when he exposes himself we both can go.outside, stand on your front lawn and laugh hysterically!

OMG....that is totally disgusting! Yep...I would report it to the coppers, let them do the dirty work!

Altho I do like Susie's idea, too! LOL

Linda

Bad situation. Can take away 20% off your property value if you have to sell your house.

Documentation is important to back up your complaints to the proper authorities (police, and perhap Department of Buildings zoning)

Check your digital camera's manual, many cameras have a time lapse or interval function. Set it up to take pictures every few seconds.

I think my camera can take 30,000 pictures.

You can set it up in your car away from your house, if you don't want to let them know that you are monitoring them.

You will need to set up the camera to lower resolution, and get a larger memory chip for the camera. You will need an external battery and a tripod.

Good luck.

dcarch

I'm not sure they're doing anything illegal. He's inside his own house, so how far he has to be from doors and windows is kind of a gray area. She's outside, but no more exposed than she would be in bathing suit. And you're dealing with a lawyer.

Most states prohibit lewd or indecent acts if they are visible from a public vantage point. For example, a man in Georgia was convicted for masturbating in front of his window that was visible from a public highway.

If he is a lawyer, he will have to worry about his record if he is found guilty.

dcarch

I don't see how standing naked -- full frontal nudity -- by a grown man behind a screen door that is two car lengths from a sidewalk kids use to walk to the bus can be legal.

I don't want to get him disbarred or arrested, although I would not be sad if that happened. I just want him to be forced to stop. Actually, if he was disbarred he would then be home all day and I sure don't want that.

I wish I had been taking pictures and keeping notes for the past 20 years because it would be great fodder for a blog.

Thanks for the photography tips, dcarch. I'd like to be a better photographer but not of them.

Watch out for a lawsuit. Especially if he thinks you might sue him, he'll sue you first. Yeah, I know it's not in his interest to have this known, but these people are nuts.

I'm not going to sue him. I may call the police on him, but there is nothing illegal about that.

I'm not sure I would call the cops if I were you. I have a neighbor that does some very annoying, and illegal things, and our HOA has said if anyone sees "xxx" happening to call the police, not the HOA. When he was reported the police officer that came out happened to be a friend of his. He was only given a warning AND the cop told him which neighbors reported him. Now he's very angry with those neighbors for reporting him and he's making their life miserable. You might want to see if another friend or relative (someone that doesn't have to live directly across from them) would report them. They could say that they were driving by and noticed him.

I don't care if he knows it's me. Our police are wonderful and would never favor one person because they may be friends. All I want is for him to stop standing nude at his front door. I don't think anyone would find that unreasonable. If BFSUS tries to make my life more miserable, I'll call the police again. I know they already have a file on him because of his past hijinks.

I'm going to let it go for now, but the next time I see it, I'm calling the cops!

Send a note, anonymously, of course. Write it as if you are the parent of a school age kid. Suggest that writing to you makes you very uncomfortable because you respect the privacy of the home notion, but that you feel compelled to let him know that your child, and others, saw him naked as they walked to ____________. It was upsetting enough to your child that he/she voluntarily told you about it. Say something about how perhaps he isn't aware how visible he is and you are certain that he would appreciate being told.

Jo

I think I would probably write the letter as Jo described, make copies for yourself and send a copy to the police dept. This shows that you are a considerate person and not a troublemaker. Then document any further "exhibitions" with photos and see if you can get another neighbor close by to casually walk by and see him too for further documentation. If others nearby see him also, you will have further proof of his shenanigans and they may back you up in contacting the police.

I've had neighbor problems in the past, and after the worst incident, another (good) neighbor told me that she was sorry that she didn't stand with me in dealing with the awful neighbor.

Teresa

That's what I need -- other neighbors to speak out, too.

A well worded letter should do the trick. I would not send it to the police because it is anonymous.

Jo

Keep a journal over a month's time and photograph them every time they appear in public view sans appropriate attire as well as the public fights, etc. Take your documentation to the police and ask them to speak with the neighbors. Make it clear that you that you require anonymity.

That sorta sounds like stalking, even if she calls it "documenting." The neighbors dont seem to think they're doing anything out of "their" ordinary and may feel just as violated about being photographed as OP does about looking.

He's in his own home. I think, OP, that you may be hoping that this just might be the issue that gets them out of your hair for a lot of other reasons. I'd be careful with the camera. If it is really against
the law to be naked in your own home in your community, even at the front door, just call the police.

The weather has turned chilly here so maybe that will keep Mr. and Mrs. Barenaked inside the house until next summer. He cut the grass this morning. He keeps all his tools, like the extra gas can, inside his favorite storage shed which is an old Mercedes that has sat in his driveway for the past ten years, rusting away.

Pam,
Are the old cars on the street? I do know we have ordinances here that prevent people leaving clunker-junkers that do not have current registration stickers on the street. Also, we have ordinances about folks not mowing their yards or having them be unsightly. I'd check into your city laws about this; an old rusting Mercedes in the drive could be a violation of some ordinance.

Teresa

He used to have unregistered cars in the street, but many neighbors complained about that and the police forced him to tow those away plus the one he was storing in his back yard. The Mercedes is in his driveway, so as long as it is on a paved surface and not grass, he is okay. All of their cars are like traveling trash cans -- loaded with papers and stuff.

Their yard would not win any prizes, but they do mow the grass.

My biggest concern is the nudity and I do intend to report him should it ever happen again. I'd like to talk to the police now so they know when I call that it's not the first time.

Pam, I've just got one piece of advice for you. DON'T LOOK! (grin)

You could go blind or something, that's just disgusting. And, here in Michigan it would be indecent exposure if you stood naked in front of your window or screen door and maybe if you walked outside in your underwear. At least disorderly behavior. Ugh. Plus disgusting...

Annie

Yeah, like I said, I thought I would have to gouge my eyes out after seeing that. You know, it's kind of like looking at a train wreck. You know it's going to be horrifying but you can't turn your eyes away.

I would absolutely call the police. There was a story a few years ago about a man in Springfield, Virginia who was naked in his house one morning and school children could see him through his window. He was arrested for indecent exposure. This is definitely a serious issue. It's not like he's just walking around naked in the privacy of his own home -- he's standing at the front door in full view.

Gail, yes, I agree. It's not like I was peeping in his window at him (as if!). I glanced out my window and saw him there. My house is farther away from his house than the sidewalk, which is where kids and others would be walking.

The weather has gotten pretty chilly for standing around naked at an open door, but who knows.

I have to say if these were my neighbors someone would have to tell me this was going on before I would ever know or notice. I am oblivious unless neighbors are extremely noisy or come knocking on my door. Thankfully none have ever done so while naked.

It's possible he is unaware that he can be seen through the screen door but more likely that he simply doesn't care. If this were my neighbor and I found his nudity problematic I would deliver a polite anonymous note informing him that be could be seen from the street in the altogether through his open door/window whatever. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt that he is unaware that he can be seen. I suspect he and she of the underwear as outdoor wear have a bit of an ostrich thing going on. They are self absorbed and if they can't see another person around they don't think they can be seen.

If a note failed to hinder him and he became more flagrant then a call to the police would be in order. Stalking? That term has no meaning in this case.

Of course people are allowed to be naked in their own homes and I'm sure many people can be glimpsed on occasion accidentally through an open window or door. Most people take reasonable care about their windows and open doors. This guy is a dolt who needs to be reminded of the rules of common decency. Like I said I would probably never even notice unless he stood in my front yard and and waggled his tackle. The point is that YOU are offended and can see him right out your front window. So being in your own front room is unpleasant.

I'm sorry, but I can't imagine anyone standing behind a screen door naked and being unaware that they can be seen. He needs much more than a polite note.

Waggle his tackle? OMG I'm dying laughing!!!

LOL Barnmom as long as he doesn't start acting like a master-baiter....

OMG, too funny!

Sphewww! That's my sorbet hitting the screen after reading Barnmom's comment! OMG, not funny to Pam, but this thread is my evening's entertainment! Sorry Pam...

Barnmom AND Jessy. I wouldn't have expected less from either. Honestly, keeping a sense of humor about the whole thing is the best way to manage it.

Humph -- laughing at my expense. ;o)

Two doors up from me is a 30something couple, nice, keep their house and yard up very well, friendly, but they often have parties on Friday night that can get quite loud. I give them until 11 PM to quieten down and then I call the police to report them.

I only had to call the police one time.

Jus' sayin'.......

Teresa

Unfortunately, it's probably not a crime to stand naked in your own house, even at the doorway. You say he's been there for 20 years and he's just started doing his exhibition work? Sounds to me like he needs a mental evaluation. That might be a better approach than calling the police -- you know, something like "poor old fat ass across the street seems to have gone around the bend. Maybe someone should look in on the family around 8:00 am" Something like that.

I'm willing to believe that some people who behave like jerks are mentally unbalanced but usually someone who acts like an inconsiderate a__hole is just that.

What does that mean, barnmom. I was of the opinion that the OP was asking for suggestions. Your response is that if he's an inconsiderate ___ hole == what? What I was suggesting is that there might be another approach to her solution. Calling the police is a good first step, but I'm betting it will get her nowhere. In many jurisdictions, you can stand naked anywhere on your own property. Acting like an inconsiderate ___hole may not be a crime but could be a sign of mental disfunction. Call for help anywhere you can get it.
And just one other thought, if the guy is an ambulance chasing lawyer, I would think twice about taking unflattering covert pictures of him and his wife in their home and putting them on the internet. Just a thought.

Pam made it clear in her posts that the family and he have a long history of generally unpleasant and inconsiderate behavior. They aren't mentally ill, just badly behaved.

I doubt Pam has anything to fear with regard to legal action from this man. If he can be seen from the street in the buff without Pam trying to see him (which she states is what happened), then he could probably be charged with indecent exposure. A conviction could potentially get him disbarred.

There is a big difference between deliberately exposing oneself for self gratification and being casual about the curtains.

So, Pam, is he newly crazy or just a chronic jerk?

CHAPTER 31. SEXUAL OFFENSES
Subchapter B. Definition Of Offenses

3127. Indecent exposure.

Here is a link that might be useful: Indecent exposure.

Annie1971, why so confrontational?

Eileen is right. Pam made it clear that this man/family have been a PITA for many years. So whether he is just a natural jerk and an inconsiderate #ss hole, or is mentally ill, doesn't really change the fact that he was naked where others could see him.

Pam, I would call the police, if for no other reason than to find out what options there are and how to proceed. If you are concerned about whether taking pictures of your neighbour while he is still in his house is an invasion of privacy or acceptable the police should be able to give you some advice.

Ann

I didn't post pictures of them in their home. I posted a very blurry picture of them outside of their house. I know indecent exposure is absolutely against the law in my area. I suppose there is an argument that she was not entirely exposed, but it is his actions that concern me.

They are both jerks and *ssholes and have been since the day she moved in about 24 years ago. He comes from a family with some money and I think she thought she was getting a prize when she roped him in. Wrong. Their two children were born before they were married. He wouldn't marry her after the first, but gave in after the second. I know people make the choice not to marry and are wonderful caring parents, but in this case it was clearly that she was trying to corral him.

Anyway, thanks for your support. You've given me a lot to consider. I do think talking to the police is a good start. In the meantime, if I see him naked again, I am calling the police.

I am really surprised that some people are saying not to call the police. I believe it IS a crime to stand naked in your own house if you are in plain view of passersby. I also doubt that it is legal to stand nude on your own property, if it is within view of others. Of course if you live in the middle of nowhere and no one can see into your yard, that is another story. But that is not the case here. Call the police -- if they don't think it's an issue, they will tell you that and they won't respond -- if they do, then they should be involved.

How close is his front door to yours? Where I live now, the front yards are quite large with lots of trees and plants blocking views, but when I lived on Linden Street in San Francisco (check the "street view"), I was on a small alley, and the building across the street from me was shouting distance away. My bedroom had a couple of windows facing the street, and I had my vanity with a large round mirror placed between the two windows and then a large full length mirror opposite one of the windows and angled so that I could see myself from the back. This was important because I was making clothes at the time. Anyway, a guy across the street from me at one time started staring at me through the mirrors while I was in front of my vanity, and he was wearing nothing but a leather harness. To make him stop, I had to call my roommate Bernard in (who very much enjoyed the show), and then the guy across the street would go away. BTW, the guy was young and athletic-looking and attractive, and continued this behavior on a regular basis.

In San Diego I used to visit a friend who had a condo on Mission Bay, and when I stepped out of her condo, I was on the sand at the beach. So one day I decided to go for a swim in the bay, and when I looked back at her condo, I noticed that there was what looked like a young naked marine (or maybe a navy guy) walking back and forth in front of his glass wall with no drapes. He was only on the second floor, and so it was a pretty close view. For some reason, I felt no need to call the police to report him. He was, after all, facing the beach and the bay, although he would have been visible from the bike path.

I've been studying a lot of anthropology lately, and there appear to be many tribes still living today that have not conformed to European fashion standards. I do not think that they are very welcome to visit certain places here without conforming to new standards, but I am also aware of how arbitrary any clothing standards are. I have also studied fashion history extensively, and the rules have changed drastically even in Europe during the past few hundred years, not to mention the millenia. In 18th Century France, there were certain parts of the female body that were considered obscene and therefore had to be covered, and this included the elbows, the points of the shoulders, and of course the nipples. Cleavance was not considered obscene, and one could show as much of that as one wanted, and therefore necklines plunged to take advantage of that while sleeve barely covered the tips of the shoulders, and lace cuffs covered the elbows. Anyway, standards of decency vary greatly from one society to another and from one age to another. To me, they are all very artificial, and I do not take them that seriously - at least not to the point of being offended when someone breaks the rules. There are many people in this country who do not think that women should nurse their babies in public. I've noticed that rules are somewhat more lax on the West Coast than the East.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, and an a** for an a**.

dcarch :-)

Here is a link that might be useful:

That's funny, dcarch. I wish he looked that good.

Funny story. I went out with friends last night to a local restaurant. I told them the story of the Naked Neighbor and his nearly-nude wife. Just then, she walks by the table on her way to the Ladies (too bad they don't have a room marked Skanks). All the heads swiveled to see her. It was kind of funny. They agreed that this activity should be reported.

Lars, interesting info. I would subscribe to the theory that they belong to a different tribe that does not conform to European standards of dress. Perhaps something Stone Age. He is so hairy he kind of looks like he is wearing a bear skin, but it's really his bare skin.

DC reminded me that Halloween is coming. You can make your own statement.

Here is a link that might be useful:

I agree that you should call the police if he's exposing himself publicly though I'd be willing to bet he doesn't realize what he's doing. I know I've been guilty of standing in front of windows naked without realizing it if I get distracted by the phone ringing when I'm getting dressed or something. I sure hope no one took a picture, lol.

I'm probably alone here, and it's just my opinion, but what I don't really get though is the public bashing. It's one thing to be annoyed but you've called them low life, fat, disgusting, stupid, ugly, awful, bad dressing, "enhancement" needing, jerk, a-holes, hairy, couldn't pass the Bar, gold digging skanks and then posted a picture on a public forum. That seems like a lot of superficial name-calling and I think the picture is way over the top. I wouldn't like to see my neighbors naked either but it seems low to make fun of how they look on a message board, especially if you don't know if they are doing it on purpose or not or if there's some underlying mental illness or other factors you don't know about.

I guess I don't understand the purpose of it other than a venting measure? You don't seem to have any real proof that he is purposely trying to expose himself to children so I don't get why you would insult them in such a visual way other than you just don't like them. I mean, yeah she probably shouldn't be running around in her underwear but maybe there was a reason for it. It just seems weird to me that you would post a picture of it on a public forum.

I'm probably going to get flamed for this but I can take it, lol. I do sincerely hope you find relief though. If it's making you uncomfortable then it's not ok. I'd personally try the anonymous note in case he doesn't realize how visible he is.

Chi83, You are entitled to your opinion.

The way I see it is Pam can vent here all she wants. Nothing wrong with venting.

Pam knows these neighbours. She made it clear that these people have been less than good neighbours for many years. So if she wants to refer to them as low lives, fat, stupid, hairy, etc... I don't have a problem with it. I'm just thankful that they aren't my neighbours.

Ann

Can take away 20% off your property value if you have to sell your house. DCarch

I thought this quote was interesting, and it is something I have suspected but was unsure about. When Kevin and I were house hunting, we found a house in Culver City that we liked, but the people across the street had a couple of rusted out cars in their driveway and exremely tattered curtains in the windows. I told the realtor at the house that I did not want to live across the street from that and have to look at it every day, and he told me that no one else would feel that way, but I think he was lying to me. OTOH, the people directly across the street from me now have their house for sale, and so we decided to go to one of the open houses so that we could see how our house looked from their windows. As it turns out, they have a better view of my front yard than I do (because it slopes down to the street), and our front yard looks like a botanical garden from the picture window in their living room! Their real estate agent told me that our yard was a big plus for the neighbor's house. In Venice, the neighbors did not affect property values so much because most people in Venice rent, the turnover is high, and the area is in great demand, being a beach community. Gang activity and graffitti will bring it down, however.

I am sympathy for anyone who has obnoxious neighbors, and one of the things I did not like about San Francisco was how dense it was.

Lars

Thank you , Ann. Yes, I am the one who lives near them, and I can assure you everything I have said is entirely true, maybe too kind. I absolutely guarantee you that he is perfectly aware that he is standing nude in the open door as well as his wife knows she is standing outside in her underwear. What reason could there possibly be for that? There was no emergency going on and the house wasn't on fire. No reason she couldn't have grabbed a coat before walking out.

I never said he is purposefully exposing himself to kids. He is just displaying himself for anyone who is unfortunate enough to come along, which in my neighborhood could well include children.

I do have a small mirror in my front window to reflect their "bad chi" back to them and away from me.

I wish I could post the picture of him in his birthday suit so you could see just how flagrant this is, but I really can't.

don't post any pictures of his flagrant stupidity; take the high road. Vent away. We seem to have gotten away from the humor that lightened your mood... and mine. Thanks for waggling comment. Keeping on laughing it off, it's the better way. Just keep telling yourself, what goes around, comes around. They'll get theirs, and likely, you won't have had to do anyting.

(((Pam)))

Pam:
I did not know all this was going down.
Didn-t read all the Posts ( too long ).

But I read in between and the last few.

Ann T : I agree with you.

Pam:
You are from Philly and don-t know how to make an offer he can-t refuse ???

When I lived in there we had ways to settle things in a peaceful manner.

Like making a hamburger out of his face.

But we can't do that anymore.

You could maybe ask, if he likes hamburger ???

LOU

PS: " GO PHILLIES "

Lou, unfortunately hamburgering someone's face is not done on the Main Line. Too bad. They have quieted down recently, or I just haven't been looking out the window much.

Yeah -- go Phils!!