Does your Miele dishwasher really dry your dishes?
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Comments (25)Dimension Plus does have the auto open feature. It says so in the manual, it says so in Miele's comparison chart given to dealers, and I know this because I own one. It is why I went with the Dimension Plus over the Dimension. Only the Dimension Plus and Diamond have it. I didn't really think the Diamond was worth something like $700 more. That's almost halfway to a new Miele dishwasher. Commenting on space again: I was sitting my sister-in-law's house recently. She had some generic American dishwasher (Hot Point, Amana, or similar). Not only did it sound like a jet engine (my old GE was NEVER so loud) but it did not hold the dishes my Miele does. Having the third rack up top helps a lot. Not only can one place a lot of other items up there besides utensils (I do things like spoon rests) but it frees up a lot of space on the bottom rack. I realize other manufacturers other than Miele make dishwashers with a third rack, but this feature helps a lot. After being used to the Miele for almost 4 months now a "regular" dishwasher seemed like a huge step back in many ways and capacity was one of them because there was one whole less rack to work with!...See MoreHelp! Does your Bosch DW dry dishes?!
Comments (12)Update: we tried a second load, this time with more dishes. They came out a lot drier. Still not ready to be put away, but much better. It seems the thermal mass of the dishes helps the drying process. As I type, my husband is at the store getting some "Jet-Dry," and we just finished our first non-takeout dinner, so we'll have a full dishwasher and the rinse agent to try tonight! Running an empty dishwasher around here will be a rare event. The things you learn in a new kitchen! (Now that we have a side-lever faucet, we suddenly realized that we both always use our left hand to turn on the water, but the lever is on the right side! Who'd'a thunk?!) Thanks for all help and advice, I'll post a follow-up when we've used our dishwasher in the normal mode we'll always use it in....See MoreMiele Inspira, Advanta dishwasher Q's: cleaning, drying, etching?
Comments (8)I'll give you my thoughts based on what I have read and my experience with my prior Miele DW purchased in 1996 and my current LaPerla purchased in 2006(Kitchen remodel), so this is not to be taken as "official" Miele speak. All of the models use condensation type drying, however most of the models also use a technique that uses a fan which makes the drying better. The Advanta does not use a fan. It just sits there - thus the phrase passive - it does nothing to help things along. You can open the door and that might help it a bit. The other models use the fan technique, speeding the drying and helping to remove the moisture better. The inspira, Optima and all the models up the line use the fan. I don't think etching is unique to Miele DW because almost every detergent and rinse aid now claims to have some etch protection agent in it. Soft water combined with higher temps can speed the process. Some of the programs on the Miele DW use HOT water. You can connect it to cold water if you want to because it will heat it to the required temperature. Pots and Pans is around 168F to 170F, Sani cycle is also this hot. Heavy Soil is 150F. There is a program named Normal which is designed to clean most loads. I think it's temp is 130F. There is a china crystal program(Optima models and up) that uses 115F water. There are other options but you will pay slightly more for them. Starting with the OPTIMA the machines use sensors to vary the water temp according to the soil level. The programs will then operate in temperature ranges. For example if you use the Normal cycle it's max range will be 130F but if the soil level is light the temperature will be less than that. This helps reduce the chance of etching and improves energy usage. When you get to the Excella and LaPerla these have additional cycles that use lower ranges (104F through 120F) and take less time, but which will still clean a load. Miele describes these cycles as using their "glass care system" - (whatever) - designed to clean but be easier on glass. I used one today on a dirty mixed load and everything came out spotless. These models also have additional sensors which will adjust the number of water changes and match the water taken for each fill to the load size, and will also reduce or increase the cycle time based on soil level. The built in water softener is offered on the models starting with the Optima. This softener is not like those of the past or the one that was on my prior model. This one measures your water hardness as it is running in and will adjust it only as much as it needs to be, so that you don't get very very soft water being mixed with detergent and hot water. I wonder if the prevalence of etching has been caused by the way glasses are being made today? Or maybe it's enzyme detergents? Etching seems like a big issue now but I don't remember hearing that much about it in past years. Pre rinsing. I have never done it. Not with the model in 1996 a G885 and not with this one. I just scrape the food off the plate and load it in. I don't even do a rinse hold and sometime let everything sit inside for a day or two and everything comes out fine. And like aflowerfreak said most new DW don't require you to rinse before you load. There are others on the forum with this brand and the models you are considering so I am sure you'll get more input....See MoreDoes your Thermador dishwaswher get your dishes clean?
Comments (4)I did a lot of research, when we needed to replace our old dishwasher. There was a very consistent pattern of people having trouble with all sorts of brands, and this trend seemed to coincide with dishwashers having become more energy efficient and detergents more environmentally friendly. My dirt cheap 20 year old dishwasher never had problems (but used tons of water and was super noisy). Some of these problems obviously had to do with water quality (e.g. water being too hard) or choice of detergent. But others were completely mysterious and affected even brands that otherwise are considered good choices. I finally came to the conclusion that I use my dishwasher every day -- sometimes even twice. I need something that just works. So, I picked the brand that had the least complaints. At the time, this turned out to be Miele. Yes, they are pricey; very much so. But I expect to use the washer for many thousands of wash cycles over its lifetime. I love that it is safe for washing plastic parts, as it doesn't have a heated dry cycle -- it even opens the door after washing, so that it can dry better. And while I didn't need this feature, it does come with a built-in water softener. As long as you remember to occasionally add salt to regenerate the softener, it should vastly improve performance for areas of the country that suffer from hard water. Having said all of the above, I do agree that we initially thought cleaning wasn't as good as it could be, considering the money we just spent. We then switched to Finish Tabs, and never looked back. On the other hand, a handful of times, we ran a cycle and forgot to put any detergent into the washer. With the exception of heavily soiled and baked on dishes, everything actually came out perfectly clean ... the mind boggles. Can't say much about modern-day Bosch washers. I have friends who used to work at Bosch in Germany some 10+ years ago. And they strongly discouraged me from ever buying a Bosch washer. But that's such a long time ago, it's quite possible the company turned their product line around....See More
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