thanks everyone. Now, I'm not so afraid of being unable to force them to go dormant. Hope I can have succces with cuttings in March. Am a bit afraid of taking cutting of non-dormant plant, white sap dripn all over. I suppose I let the wound callous before I repot (but that's another question). To Chuy415, welcome to cold & dry Utah. Growing things here is really different than rest of the country. But it's still possible. I even have a dwarf Valencia orange tree I got at nursery in CA. Carried it back in car. Keep it inside for 8-9 months of year (just like plumies), then it goes outdoors for the summer. I get blossoms about Christmas time. with the Plumies in Utah--I'm sure there will be some shock. Make certain they are transported in such a way that they don't get too cold. Once here, you'll probably be able to put them outside, without threat of snow, in June. If you want to put them out earlier, watch weather, make sure you don't leave them out over-night. And it is so dry here, misting the leaves is helpful. Hope u enjoy the mountains. thanks again everyone.

Close your browsers before you use the control panels add/remove programs to uninstall Java that's listed there.. It might say Oracle Java. It will remove it from the browsers and the main program from your folders. Unfortunetly java uninstall does leave some junk but generally its no harm. Don't worry about javaScript. That's a different thing. If you want.. there is a tiny program called JavaRa that will additionally remove some junk... Here is a link that might be useful: http://singularlabs.com/software/javara/javara-download/

Yes indeed, Happy 4th to all our neighbours to the south of us. I would be very much amazed if that were correct, but of course it could be genuine. I prepurchased Win 7 months before it's release and I think it was $129 for Win7 Professional and an upgrade not a full copy. You would probably be disappointed with the performance I would think but at $40 if legit it may well be worth the gamble. The main question would be, what would you do with the program if it failed to meet your needs on this computer? Being an upgrade you cannot install it on a new build unless you have a full version of something less than Win 8 to validate.

Thanks mikie. That did the trick! Saved again. JohnW