Preventing water damage- steel braid hoses vs floodchek/floodstop
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Comments (41)Coming into this thread late, but with some experience. Unlike the Murphy's Law mentioned earlier, we were actually HOME when a copper pipe made a 1/8" hole and did $10K damage to our kitchen before we noticed it. This past Wednesday, we just finished the kitchen rehab, which damaged about 1/3 of the kitchen. We had to have the cabinets, drywall (including ceiling drywall) pulled out, and dried. Fortunately for us, Home Depot still carried our cabinets. Rather than relying on someone to rebuild the box portion of our cabinets and reuse the fronts, we just ordered new cabinets. Cost US personally about $1K more to do it that way, but the insurance wasn't cooperative in that degree. We were lucky -- the new cabinets matched, our favorite contractor was able to get them in without any damage to the existing granite counter tops, and the cabinets came in within the 4-6 weeks promised. I just posted in the Plumbing forum about what to shut off during a 32-day trip this summer. We just can't shut off the water to the whole place, because we would lose our yards -- Southern Californians depend on watering (even frugally) because it doesn't rain very much in the summer, if at all. So like others here, I'd want to shut off all the inside fixtures -- sinks, refrigerator water supply, washer/dryer (the easiest, really), toilets. But would love some advice on what order. I guess flushing them out after the water is off, is essential? Donna...See MoreCopper tubing instead of WM hoses?
Comments (20)You can go to an extreme to try to cover all bases. There are several whole house water cutoff devices that can be installed. Two that come to mind are the flologic and watercop automatic valves. With these your remote water sensors can not only trigger an alarm code to your monitoring provider, but can also signal these devices to shut off all water to the house. With the right alarm (or more appropriately automation/security system) it could also take automated preemtive action and shut down the water line upon a power failure. All of this depends on everything happening right. What if the water sensor contacts get real dirty and are covered with a good layer of sticky dust/dirt? Will it still trigger? If your sensor is battery powered, did you remember to change the batteries on a scheduled basis? Where the leak occurs, will enough water reach the sensor to have it tigger? Etc, etc... The flologic seems interesting as it has some logic of it's own that "looks" for leaks. If it senses uncontrolled water flow beyond a period of time (which you set) it will trigger. I believe it can also be setup for some exception conditions and can be tied into a security/automation system where it automatically closes everything when you place you security system in the "away" state....See MorePlastic Plumbing WARNING
Comments (32)My 25 year old house is piped with copper. We've had three slab leaks (the 'fixes' always left a few copper branches somewhere!) with one today as I write. My area is plagued by slab leaks (copper pipe). Initially I thought it was the fault of being buried in the slab until we had a few pinhole leaks in the ceilings. From what I have read, the composition of the water here has changed and the pipes are vulnerable. I've read that PEX has been used for years in Europe and Japan--but they don't hyperchlorinate their water the way they do here. The copper pipes that were used in my bathroom remodel are thinner than those they replaced, and the water more aggressive. I am concerned about the leaching of PEX. I'm also concerned about the leaching of lead from the copper. The one advantage to PEX is the idea of a manifold where each fixture has its own line. Plumbing repairs can be done without turning off water to the whole house--just that fixture. I have both PEX and copper in my house. The bathroom with the PEX is significantly faster with water delivery/pressure, but it is brand new dedicated pipe to that bathroom. (Although the leaking copper seems to be quite fast in my kitchen!) I suppose that with either copper or PEX, water treatment has to happen before the water enters the house to help prolong the life of the plumbing. Not sure about well water......See MoreNeed to turn off water valves in laundry room if going on vacation?
Comments (25)I personally know two people who had flood disasters because of ruptured toilet fill hoses. One of them happened while they were out for dinner, not even on vacation. Afterward, one of them installed a Leak Defense system at their insurance company's expense. I decided to learn from this, and install one in my house. For each of the two modes, Home and Away, you set a threshold at which flow is detected, and how long water is allowed to flow before the system alarms and shuts off the water. It can detect very small flows, down to something like a drop per second. Obviously it can't prevent damage 100%, since it has to allow some flow, particularly while you're home. But it's better than letting it flow for an unlimited time. If I remember to put it in Away mode when I leave the house, it'll shut off after 3 minutes of flow. And when I'm home, I can tell when water is flowing, and look around for the cause if I think it shouldn't be. Edit: It also has optional point-of-leak detectors that detect moisture where it shouldn't be, and shut the water right away. I still shut off the water completely when we're away, usually by turning off the well pump so the outside hydrants are off too....See Morekaseki
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