Today we are planning on going to HD and purchasing a Frigidaire Gallery, Induction Electric Range with Air Fry and True Convection. Since I just got a notification of a "like" to a comment I made on this thread from 6 YEARS! ago, I'll take it as a sign that this purchase is meant to be. There are still very few, if any inductions on display anywhere around my area. Just spoke to the owner of an appliance store who said induction just isn't catching on in the US. Interesting as I read a lot about building green and/or off the grid and induction is toted as the way to go. Uses much less energy than any other cooking method. Does not pollute the air like gas does. This along with the quicker cooking times and cooktop not heating up makes it a winner. Excited about finally getting induction!

WOW! Thank you all soooo much! You all have made me so much more zen about everything. And you're all 100% right--it's not as dire as I thought when I first got the photos. There IS room and I know I can make it work, with lots of help, of course! Desertsteph, yes, I understand about not being able to get down and get to stuff in the back of base cabinets! So much space is wasted because I never want to use anything beyond about the first foot or so. Apartment base cabs are the worst! You have to use them because usually you don't get enough uppers, depending on the apartment, of course. I like the two big windows too! One thing I will say about this little place is that it has a LOT of windows. The previous owners have replaced the LR window, the LR bay window, and both kitchen windows with the good double pane ones. I will need to do the bedroom and bathroom windows. Historian, thanks for the recommendations; I'll be sure to check them out! Omelet, thanks for the kind words. I'll get out there ASAP to take measurements, photos, video, the whole works. Scone911, so true! NYC is maybe the worst, but if you don't have a lot of money, renting in any large urban area can be challenging. There are still some good deals in the Seattle area if you know where to look or have connections. I'm lucky to have those big windows! I remember the first little apartment my husband and I had in 1980...full of huge jumping spiders, no natural light...but I guess when you're 20 and in love you make anything work. ;-) bpathome, smiling, practigal, I think an induction cook top is a good idea. Also, I saw an oven hood/microwave that also can be used as a convection oven. That might be worth considering. Dhygarden, indeed! People in much of the rest of the world work with much smaller kitchens than we do here in the U.S. Haha, that often seems to come up on "House Hunters International"--Americans can't fathom the tiny kitchen. And you're also right about not having an electric appliance for everything. I can't wait to tell my best friends in Zambia the phrase "appliance garage." (They both work for American diplomats, so they'll just shake their heads and laugh.) I recently bought this really cute Jamie Oliver knife set; it's just three knives, but really you can do everything with them. I've always sort of dreamt of the European way of walking to the market every day or every other day to buy everything fresh. Though there are reasons I like the location of my new house, one disadvantage is that the closest grocery store (or anything, really) is about 10 miles away. Believe me, I never pictured myself living in the tulies...I always thought I'd end up in some downtown flat in a big city, but life is funny. I really do want to get a freezer if I can figure out where to put it...we can get snowed, or iced, in out there and it would be good to be stocked up on a couple weeks' worth of meals. I'm still holding out hope of getting a year long visiting professor gig in either in France or the UK, because I'd love to live in Europe for a year. Writersblock, first of all, let me just say I loooooove that cat!! What breed? Is he (she?) named Batman? If not, why not? ;-) Thanks for the advice on staying away from the 20" ovens! I haven't purchased my own appliances in a couple of decades, and I'm really not familiar with what's what out there. I like your under cabinet lighting too, very nice! My daughter and I are long overdue for a trip to Seattle, so we'll have to head over the mountains this spring--I'm a wuss when it comes to driving over the pass in the winter, haha! I kind of thought the same thing about the IKEA cart; I'm glad you've seen it and could tell me about it. I can't shop at the Evil Empire (Walmart) for political reasons, but I do know there are options--I can check out Fred Meyer, Lowes, Home Depot, BB&B, etc. Also, thanks to you and everyone for tipping me off to the "Little Paris" show! YouTube is completely awesome. Crl, ah to be tall! :-) I'm barely 5'1", and can't stand up straight because of my arthritis, so although I really love the hanging pot racks, they probably aren't the best for me. I think a microwave with oven or convection oven would be OK, at least for now because it's pretty much just one quick move to put something in and then take it out. Crl, also thanks for the suggestion of the toe kick drawers, and thanks to Chicagoans for the illustrated version! Very, very clever! Amazing how much space we have in houses that we don't think to use, like whomever came up with the brilliant notion of recessing things back between the studs. Chicagoans, I'm assuming you're from or live in Chicago, I have enjoyed visiting Chicago twice in the past few years for an academic conference. It's a beautiful city. Although I must say I've never truly known what cold was until I walked around in Chicago! :-) lferg92, I was looking at a super susan the other day; I think it was on the KitchenAid site. They look really wonderful. I'm glad you're enjoying yours, and thanks for the recommendations! Funkycamper and everyone else who mentioned the dishwasher issue, thanks for your honest assessment! You're probably right. Our first dishwasher when I was a kid was a portable--we lived in a tiny little house and it was a tiny kitchen. When we finally moved to Seattle from California we thought our built in dishwasher was the coolest thing ever, lol! I will seriously reconsider a smaller built in. And cpartist, point well taken about the stackables. The w/d that are there now are about 7 years old, I think, still in perfect working condition. But they are monsters; I've never seen such big machines, and both top loaders, ugh. LOL when I was staying there with my friends I practically fell head first into the dryer one afternoon trying to get stuff out. I have to use my little grabber/reacher tool, but that's OK. But as soon as I can afford new ones, they'll definitely be front loaders! Cawaps, "truly awful clutter management," haha! If you knew the half of it, but I'm going to remember that phrase! I'm very anti-clutter and kind of a minimalist. I really like the clean counter look, nothing sitting out. And you're right. When everything is moved out of the house, a feat I still don't know how will be pulled off, except they're getting another storage unit (in addition to the two they have now), and when the extreme cleaners have worked their magic, and when the ghastly china cabinet is knocked out, I know the space will look much bigger. Thanks for the encouragement! There was recently a huge debate, but I can't remember if it was this forum or something else, about pull-out bread boards. I'm pro-bread board, for the record. :-) buehl, thanks for the link. I'll be sure to study the instructions! Desertsteph, that makes a lot of sense, sitting at the table to do prep work. I have a wooden stool that I have used in my last couple of kitchens and that has worked pretty well. Sounds like you got a great deal on the bisque appliances! Ilovered and practigal, you've pretty much talked me into an 18" dishwasher! :-) Thank you all again so much! I'll get a floor plan up as soon as I can! I hope I can overhaul the whole house, roof to subfloor. The yard is also a mess; it's not actually a yard, it's more dirt with weeds. Since I'd like to be a good neighbor, something's going to have to be done next summer on that too. Luckily, the bones of the house are good. No leaks, siding and skirting in excellent condition, etc. The eat-in kitchen and living room will be my biggest and most expensive projects, and I want to do them first because that's where life is lived. I'm very much looking forward to getting your community wisdom! :-)

Honu... "If they have to notch the drawer they only notch a portion. Enough to accommodate where the appliance plugs into the gas and elect. The 16" length just means your plugs have to be within that space. " So, it looks like the first drawer can be full length on the left side and notched on the right! And the bottom drawer full length all the way across if the services come out of the wall as Dan and Fori mentioned. Thank you. btw..thanks for clarification on the gas shut off

"A question about the cabinets that flank your potential slide in range. Are they small in width? What kind of counters do you have on them? Do you have an integral back splash, a curb, or a wall of tile? I ask because a possible solution...and I know there will be those who say it will be very expensive...is to raise the cabinets on either side of your range. OR, replace the countertops with ones that are built up enough to compensate for the difference in height. For example, replace with thick (3”) wood cutting board style side countertops to get to the right height. A solution???" Thanks for these suggestions. This provides some options to consider. My situation is that I have older builder-installed cabinets (40 yrs old) that are basic but also in good shape; granite counters that are already approx 3 cm; there is no backsplash tile (I might swap my 4" backsplash for tile in the future, but there's no tile now); the range is located in the middle of a U-shaped kitchen, so if I replace any of the counter, I really have to replace the whole run. Picture below, which explains the situation better than I am explaining it: If there's a counter option greater than 3 cm (I'm not sure there is, but if there was...) that could be one way to go. Raising the cabinets might be too big a project for this kitchen. I'm not sure of the cost. But because the existing kitchen is basic and also older, after a certain point of investment a full replacement starts to become a live option. Right now I am committed to retrofitting what is here since it is functional and I've grown to like the kitchen (even if it isn't what I'd build if starting from scratch). Still I'll have to think carefully about trade-offs once I get into plans to reinstall or replace too many components. Perhaps the path of wisdom ... unless I decide I want to replace everything... is to narrow the list of ranges to ones that don't need to be flush to function properly and look good. It looks right now like the Miele, Bertazzoni, LG and Frigidaire are going to do the most for me. All those options all going to be somewhat taller and deeper than my cabinets, but they all have front controls and don't depend on being "built in." I'll need to work out which ones offer the most in terms of function and aesthetics.