Working on the 2010 List

14 years ago

There's more than a foot of snow on the garden, so I'm working on next year's tomato list.

Pretty much every tomato we grow either goes to friends or becomes some sort of sauce. We're tomato-handicapped in that neither of us cares to eat them fresh (though we use lots of cooked tomatoes). A couple years ago, I swore I'd teach us better ways and grew cherries. Not only couldn't we get past the taste, but I made some truly hideous sauce from a massive load of Yellow Pears and Black Pearls.

Anyway, I'm tentatively hoping to grow the following varieties in 2010. All but the San Marzano are completely new to us.

Arkansas Traveler

Banjan Roomii

Bloody Butcher

Caspian Pink

Cherokee Purple

Murhurlu

Oxheart

Rio Fuego

Rutgers

San Marzano

Super Marmande

We should have room for a couple more kinds. I've narrowed the list down quite a bit to the five below. It is so tough to do!

Costoluto Genovese

Opalka

Polish Linguisa

San Marzano Redorta

Zapotec Pleated

We tend to favor a deep red sauce. We like sweet for Italian cooking, but I have to take it easy since sweet doesn't go over so well here for things like enchilada sauce.

I tried the roasting method for sauce this year and am very pleased with the results. No more worries about juicier tomatoes making thin, runny sauce when I don't have hours to cook it down. I'm still working on the seed issue, though, as they tend to get through my grandmother's Foley-type mill.

So, what do people think? Any obvious holes in the first list that could be plugged with a variety from the second list? Is there something on the first list I should skip all together? Other suggestions?

Thanks!

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rj_hythloday
14 years ago
Bloody Butcher - From what I've read not very tasty, early is it's saving quality

Cherokee Purple - Most popular
Oxheart - I've heard lots of good things

Rutgers - had one plant this year, probably 3 or more next, very prolific and tasty.

Opalka - Most popular paste tomato - still tenative on my list for next year, I like big slicers - any tomato can make sauce.

Zapotec Pleated - I've heard good things, mine didn't make it to plant out this year.

My favorite this year is Black from Tula, next year I'm also growing spudatula, spudakee purple, indian stripe. I've made some really good sauces and chiles this summer using a variety of tomatoes.
compost_pete-grower
14 years ago
If you have a good hot, dry year Opalka is awesome--sweeeet and delicious. Colder, wetter years, like here last year they did not do well. I grow it every year for sauce.
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mrs.b_in_wy
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14 years ago
Thank you rj and compost_pete. It seems Opalka is a for-sure addition. I've been hearing good things about Black from Tula this year. I might be giving it a try soon, too.
ruet
14 years ago
Heidi and Opalka are mentioned here a lot in this category.

This year I grew Costoluto Genovese, and as long as it didn't rain a drop (here in Madrid that's June, July, August and September...) the fruits looked and tasted great. When the first fall rain clouds rolled Â the first week of October Â every fruit on the plant cracked and it seemed like the some of the flavor escaped out the cracks. For this reason it's bumped off my 2010 list.

Good heat tolerance though, it withstood 100Âº+ days like a champ under 50% shade cloth.
mrs.b_in_wy
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14 years ago
Thank you ruet. Fruit cracking after a rain could be bad news here. It's nice to be forewarned.

Now that you mention it, I've seen Heidi mentioned here a lot as well. Looks like it's time to add her to the 2011 wish list. Thanks again!
jaliranchr
14 years ago
mrs. b, Rio Fuego did very well for me this year and it was a wet year for this region. Bloody Butcher is a staple in my garden. It is a terrific early tomato. I have grown Caspian Pink successfully in a longer than usual season, but I don't count on it.

Costoluto Genovese would be very close considering the shorter season in the Rocky Mt. region. It is a longer season tomato that would be kind of iffy. Just my two cents. I grow in the region and many varieties are harder to grow in our shorter season.
zebraman
14 years ago
Don't buy Opalka from Sandhill Preservation as it is the wrong one. Costoluto Genevese is Great if you have a long Mediteranean climate. Zapotec is basically a hollow tomato, that doesn't taste that great, I'd skip this one. Your other choices are good.
mrs.b_in_wy
Original Author
14 years ago
Those are good points jaliranchr and zebraman. With an average frost-free period of 120-140 days (depending on the source) and the tomato-happy period being even shorter, I might be grateful for some of those earlier varieties on my list. Looks like the list is two varieties shorter :) And thank you also zebraman for the tip on the Opalka seed source.
distractedbyzombies
14 years ago
It is my understanding that Marmande's don't do well on American soil. I tried to grow regular Marmande and it was a failure. With the reputation, I haven't tried it again. I can't recall if Super Marmande does any better, but perhaps someone else will chime in.
mrs.b_in_wy
Original Author
14 years ago
That is interesting. I'd not heard that about Marmande. Maybe I'll get my hands on some regular Marmande seeds and try them side by side. Of course, the sample size would be too small (probably 2 of each) for my results to be statistically significant, but it might be fun anyway. Thank you for the input!
trudi_d
14 years ago
Hi Zombies,

Do you have a link to that information source?

I've never heard that before and I'm wondering if you're unknowingly and innocently repeating something remotely related to the politically motivated, anti-French bigotry from a few short years ago.
mtbigfigh
14 years ago
These are my seed purchases for 2009 some of these I am planting early 2010
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trudi_d
14 years ago
That's a wonderful list will all different sizes, shapes and colors! You're definitely going to have the full tomato experience.
mtbigfigh
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yeah I usually plant 100+ plants but right in the middle of all my plans we decided to downsize and sell our house why we could still keep a bunch of equity then moved to another home in the family with low rent - so had to fix and repair two places and didn't get to plant all of these - I have grown quite a few but try to pick up new varieties to try every year - ended up having to buy some plants because I didn't get seedlings going in time - a lot of the plants I bought came down with diseases - 1st time in 40+ years of growing - except nematoes over the years - solved by potting in that area as vapam is not allowed in Ca - don't know if it is other places - anyway I had an OK crop and got to try some new ones - some of the above were 1-2 freebies sent with each order - most of the freebies I would not have ordered

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instar8
14 years ago
Another Heidi vote, i got a bushel in one day from 3 plants, though it doesn't have much "tomato" taste fresh, it's a sturdy one to can whole.

My other canning star was Eva Purple Ball, my unending gratitude to whichever GT'er recommended her! She's an acceptable fresh tomato, but makes TONS of perfect fruit that can lay on the ground or hold on the vine for a LONG time like a paste tomato. Also, she has a thin skin that slips easily with a quick blanch.

I cracked open the first jar of whole tomatoes a couple days ago, Heidi and Eva were delicious, sweet and firm, i scarfed the whole quart....

Lke rj said, MOST any tomato can make sauce, but if you like whole tomatoes, those two are tops.
ufseeds
14 years ago
Your defiantly right on with the San Marzano one of the greatest sauce tomatoes of all time! You may want to add another staple such as the Roma tomato another tried and true tomato with excellent cooking ability.
mtbigfigh
14 years ago
I have a preferance for San Marzano Redorta and years ago a hybrid plum called enchantment was a big surprize - womderful taste - meaty - maybe you could find it somewhere
mrs.b_in_wy
Original Author
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Thank you instar, ufseeds and mtbigfish. I'm so looking forward to trying your suggestions one day.

We tried Roma for the first time this year, but they didn't do so well. They seemed awfully small (maybe averaging the size of pullet eggs, possibly a little larger). Most of them didn't ripen to a deep, rich red but instead stayed kind of orange. On the other hand, it was such a bad year, we had to pick the vast majority when they were still green and let them ripen in the hallway. I thought I was done with them, but per your recommendation, ufseeds, I'll plan to give them another try.

A quick search turned up Enchantment at Burpee and Reimer. Funny thing, both companies are using the same photo. Wonder how that happened...?

Thanks again!

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