Thank you Rich. Sound good! As Froissart in his book compare them I will look closely tomorrow the S.forreri I got recently but ATM I can say that if both are blue and small they are quite distinct.

Russ, I would be happy to share anything with you you want. Also, I'll tell you any of my sources you want. Just let me know. I bought this from the same guy I bought the patens (I asked for an ID of way earlier) that piqued your interest then as well. He says these are just immature plants. If you look at the JC book you were referencing before under fischeri, he does show an immature fischeri at the base of the mature plants that doesnt look anything like this. And for that matter, in the same picture, the adult fischeri has strong markings even on the older growths where as mine has only minor markings on the new growth that fades to an almost solid green on the old growths. I did look at that book and compare but it's so hard to compare a picture to a plant sometimes. Oh well. I appreciate all the feedback though!

Hi Floral Thanks for your suggestion, but I am not sure. All images I can find of Henbane flowers seem to show a tessellated type pattern on the petals which this doesn't appear to show. Also the pistil length seem to be quite different. Time to check out Henbane relatives. Regards Fof

Jon , a pic of the whole would have been the deciding factor also ,,,a distinct form Garen , I think it's time for a pic update before a camera won't fit in your yard ha , ron