Susan, the photos of your garden were the ones I always looked forward to seeing. Your garden was a paradise. I sure hope you will post photos of your new garden! I had the opposite problem years ago - I moved roses in July of our hot Texas summer. I watered daily [and I mean DAILY]. I did not lose a one! When I moved to another new farm, I potted them up and kept them in the shade and well watered. I still have some left from that move 15 years ago. I was interested to see you have Cape Cod - I have one too, a small one that I am going to move this week to more sun. The photos look beautiful. And think you have enabled me into Bolero..... Good luck with your new garden. Hopefully, you will be able to move more roses if the new owners dont want them. Dont know how I could have chosen which to pick.....I would have had to hire help and dug them all up! Good luck to you, and hope to see photos of the new garden and how you make it. Judith

hello Careytearose, I do post some pics on the tropical fruit forum. As far as tropicals go, they are still very young. Some of the more normal stuff, grapes, veggies, citrus, strawberries, boysenberries I've had awhile and are growing and fruiting like crazy. Tropical stuff, white sapote, guava, mango (going to be a test to not kill it), passionfruit, paw paws, cherimoyas, and other weird tastey stuff still need some time. I also have a small greenhouse for the 2-3 months a year it is cold, it is a swing arbor the rest of the time. here is pic http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0116095916370.html?4 As far as moving, my wife and I have been in our home (40-50 year old home)7-years, it is 3bed-1bath. My wife just blessed us with our first child, a beautiful girl. If we are lucky, maybe a 2nd child in a few years. Two girls and 1 bath = daddy showering in the waterhose out back. If our next is a girl also, I'm in real trouble. We own some property near here in a mountain community (Z8) and recently had a water well installed. Once things get squared away, I hope to start planting there. Maybe in 5-10 years if we can afford to have a house built, the orchard will be ready for me. I also hope to install a gh to continue with some of the tropicals. I have even started some rootstocks to graft my existing cvs onto. -Ethan ps. do you ever pickle your nasturim seeds? If you pickle them when green, they are similar to capers, flowers are tastey too. If you like sweet taste, look into white sapote (casimiroa edulis) for a fruit tree, depending on your winter lows. Best new (to me) fruit I have eaten in years. Smooth "custard texture", sweet taste, fairly cold hardy.

i got a new machine that was givin to me and i dont know how to use it -it is a singer futura ce100 i need some kinda of software to start it i dont know how to get it if you have any ideas to help me please let me know tracy@java-latte.com

"I wanted to try at least for my DH because he has suffered a lot at the hands of his kids and I don't think it's acceptable. Someone has to tell them how badly they are behaving." I think you need to be careful about this. For one, it can often be self-serving and underlying it is a secret or not-so-secret wish for Dad to see how rotten his kid is... not really to actually help Dad or make him feel any better but to make you feel superior in comparison to the rotten kid. It's a common enough gambit ---"I just care about how this is affecting YOU..."--- and like any other area of life where we take an active interest in others' well-being, there is often just as much of an element of us wanting to feel pleased with ourselves, that's what's in it for us. Some people may think this paints a very bleak picture of human nature, but sadly I think it's pretty accurate if we are honest enough to admit it to ourselves. I don't personally think there's anything wrong with wanting a self-serving benefit out of doing what we feel is a good deed, or out of concern for others. After all, at best it can be a win-win situation: you can support others and in return pat yourself on the back for being a good upstanding person. But there are times when it crosses a line and that's when it starts to HARM rather than help relationships, creating a RIFT rather than a BRIDGE and where it can come dangerously close to being more of a WIN for us and a great LOSS to someone else. That isn't "win-win" anymore, that's one-upmanship. In stepfamilies, especially, where there's naturally such a risk of excessive competition, we all have to avoid this danger. And I'm not just saying this as the stepdaughter who's apparently been painted as a monster by my SM to my Dad and every little tiny misunderstanding pryed open with a clawhammer to create a rift the size of the Grand Canyon... I'm also saying it because I have been on the other side of it, in that the way my SM treated my Dad appalled ME. Many were the times I was tempted to "point out" how disrespected and even abused he was... I always kept it to myself, except for one time when he literally dragged it out of me. And boy did I suffer the wrath! Even though he solicited it, deep down he did not want to hear it. (Just like I'm sure these Dads don't want to hear how disrespectful and horrible, etc. their own children may or may not be.) And deep down this was because he had in fact chosen to tolerate her behavior by not standing up for himself. In my case, it was my SM who acted the part of manipulative bratty, sh*t-fit-throwing little girl (she even called him "Daddy"), but you can see this can go both ways and apply to stepkids or step-parent. Or just anyone who treats anyone else we care about like crap. We can offer our input if asked; they may not take it. We can support them and try to help them feel stronger about themselves, but at the end of the day, it is THEIR LIFE to preside over and make decisions about. If my Dad or your husband gets disrespected, HE'S CHOOSING to put up with it, and if he's okay with it, then you simply have to wipe your hands clean and ignore it. If it is REALLY about concern for how HE suffers, then he must not be suffering that much if he doesn't put a stop to it. These are grown men we're talking about, men who have supported and helped US through many struggles, surely. And really, if you're totally honest, isn't it also that the disrespectful behavior you can't stand for HIM to be subjected to is the same disrespectful behavior YOU are so hurt by from the person? You have to admit that and own it, because the "poor victim" already knows it and resents that you're trying to make it seem that it's ALL out of concern for THEM when it's really only partly concern for them and just as much concern for yourself. Nothing wrong or shameful in that, you just have to own your own feelings and not be ashamed to admit them out loud. Not that we don't REALLY care about our long-suffering loved ones. Of course, we all do! Believe me, I know how hard it is to watch certain things inflicted on someone you love, but that person is really the only one who can say "***I*** won't tolerate it anymore", and they have to do that after they've reached a point where THEY really can't tolerate it. When something bothers a person enough, they'll find a way to either change it, or if they can't change it to adjust their reaction so the negative behavior doesn't have power over them. If he's not doing either, it doesn't bother him that much, plain and simple. It was incredibly rough realizing that was the case with my Dad and my SM's behavior ---even more excruciating was the thought that he might actually LIKE IT--- but it was what it was and there was nothing I or anyone else could do about it. In a nutshell, when you seek to establish yourself as a caring person and when you express a concern directly to someone about that person's relationship with a certain loved one, you have to first ask yourself "is what I'm going to say going to actually IMPROVE that relationship or harm it? Am I offering any positive constructive suggestions to help them get along BETTER or am I saying incendiary things that will make them get along WORSE? What is MY goal in all this? How can I still come out smelling like a rose with my helpful comments while avoiding making a conflict worse?"