In the beginning, I thought this thread was about making use of what could be made into something good, and getting rid of the rest. I didn't understand that the focus was on using pieces of a landscape somewhere, somehow. It seems to me that many existing "pieces" of the puzzle, if used, will only guaranty an undesirable outcome. There are many smallish, highly ornamental, cute pairs of plants (bougainvillia, topiary, pompoms, etc.) that beg to be used to flank a passageway. But there are not that many passageways that need flanking. There are plants in bad positions that need to be moved, but they are too big to move without a great deal of trouble or expense. Though there are many pictures attached to the thread, they are isolated shots that don't link areas. It's hard to develop a fluid concept of the site. Truth is, trying to make sense of the existing puzzle pieces would be an unpleasant job if I could be there doing it on site. And that would be much easier than trying to do it by remote. I think it was mentioned that it would be a good idea to return some items. I understand the difficulty and unpleasantness with that, but honestly, I think that is the best suggestion. What this situation really needs is a good designer who can make a personal visit, and a willingness of the owner to find another way to dispose of all the things that don't fit or that can't be made to fit without too much sacrifice. I believe the owner does want a finished product that's actually nice. But there only so much a person can squeeze in before the objects begin to work against him. It doesn't need more "objects" as much as it needs continuity and linking. This is not an attempt to say "I'm out." I'm just saying that the project is frustrating and I wish I could help you more, Relleum, but other than offering piecemeal advice, don't know if I can.

I just came back from a month's visit with my mom in Missouri, and it's been quite an experience. She happens to live in one of the major areas that was flooded. Fortunately, the house is in the hilly part of town, so we weren't directly affected by the high water. However, I was very affected when I wanted to go home. I could not leave, because Highway 67 South from Pocahantas, Arkansas was shut down. Parts of it were underwater, so I had to wait. When it did reopen, I couldn't leave because of a death in the family. It almost seems frivolous to say that my husband was calling me with the daylily report since I couldn't get home in time for the first daylily bloom. In this time, a number of the daylilies have bloomed and I am happy to report that all the new daylilies ordered have blooms or have scapes. My only UF that is blooming is "Destined To See", and it is just cranking up for a big bloom season, if the weather cooperates. I was happy to see new messages. Nate, glad to know that "Skinwalker" is better than the photos. Like you, I wasn't too keen on it, but now I'll reconsider. Nancy, I looked up "Concorde Nelson" and the photos of it are lovely, ditto with "Savannah Sweetheart". I do like doubles, but I have only a few. One of my favorites is the Joiner hybrid "Jean Swann" and I guess Joiner does all those "Savannah" named daylilies. You can imagine, being gone a month with no computer, I am way, way behind reading all the topics on the Forum. I will be up all hours trying to catch up. Oh, yes, I have seen "Frilly Bliss" and I think it's another one going on the next year's list. Anybody else with more recommendations, please chime in. I love finding out about any UFs. Avedon

@Aidan Creekmore yes it's that last picture... I think your sixth. Landed right in front of me and just sat there staring at me on the deck. I quitely got up and went into the house though I wanted to run and screen just like that 10 year old post. Sprayed cutter waited. It left because my bird reflector tape moved so I am back out on the deck nervous trying to enjoy the sun here in Georgia. Lol. Should I worry?

Something to keep in mind about this family of roses is their rather similar -- and often inbred -- ancestry. Jaune Desprez = Blush Noisette X Park's Yellow Lamarque = Blush Noisette X Park's Yellow Smith's Yellow = Blush Noisette X Park's Yellow So these are siblings, if the reported parentage for each is correct. Then things get incestuous. Devoniensis = Park's Yellow X Smith's Yellow Le Pactole = Lamarque X Park's Yellow Safrano = Park's Yellow X Jaune Desprez Genetically, the second group of three would be 3/4 Park's Yellow and 1/4 Blush Noisette, and would essentially be as similar to each other as would be siblings, like the first three. If you then look up roses listed just as being "seedling of..." any of the three above, and keep in mind that they're likely to be self-seedlings, one can see how easily a "family resemblance" emerges. Seedlings of Devoniensis with no other parent reported: Alba Rosea aka Isidore Malton Cornelia Cook (or Koch) Desantres Edouard Gauthier Seedlings of Le Pactole with no other parent reported: Caroline Kuster Paradine Seedlings of Safrano with no other parent reported: Amazone Bloomfield Quakeress Caroline Cook Mme Falcot (and I won't even begin to follow Mme Falcot's long line of descendants) St. Mary's Rose Therese Welter Some other further inbred offspring from this family: Jean Pernet = Devoniensis X Safrano America = Solfatere [which was a seedling of Lamarque] X Safrano Golden Gate = Safrano X Cornelia Cook -- and might this be Jesse? Good luck to Malcolm's student(s) trying to match things up in this family! Kinda reminds me of Anne Rice's book The Witching Hour. Except in this family, the goal was to combine and maximize carotenoids from R. moschata and Park's Yellow to make "yellower" Teas. :-) ~Christopher