Tropical looking palms for zone 9 Florida.
td1026
12 years ago
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Potted young palms vs zone 9 winter* advise please ASAP
Comments (11)Gary, thanks so much for all that info. This is my third year here. Now and I am a bit wiser by experience. I do need to study up on the florida weather zones. I live between Lakeland and Winterhaven in a little town called Auburndale. I was advised to let them get a little age on them before planting them into the ground, which is my primary intention. My very friendly grower/ dealer suggested that palms are tender until established and would even benefit from partial shade until they have a years growth out of the greenhouse, as in a pot. I find asking AND following the advise of the wiser is the only way to go. Hmm now I have to admit I am somewhat confused as to wether I should put them in the shed or not. Other then the warmth of our mobile they have no protection. The mobiles don't have overhangs or gutters. I have lost 2 coconut palms one during each of the first two years I was here. The first one I left in a pot and the second one went into the grown. Both died. Now onto the living palms. Someone mentioned something about the rainy season causing them to get to much water. OK maybe my concerns are a bit on the side of overkill. Like i said Last year I lost 19 seedling palms. I bought 3 or 4 each month at approx 5 bucks a piece plus shipping and handling, any way I lost between $150 and $200 and that was last year.. This year I bought less often and smaller quanities and ALL were listed cold hardy. I just dont want to loose it all. I am also guessing that I should NOT fertilize till spring....See MoreEverglades Palm in Zone 9?
Comments (8)The idea that it will regrow from roots does appeal to me, though I think the lowest we have gotten here in the past 4 years that I have actually paid attention was about 27°F, so I might not have to worry about that for a while. When we move in about four years we plan on moving about 30 minutes south of where we are currently, so we will be a little more securely placed within the zone 9 area. I will have to find seeds or a seedling to grow on in a pot until we do make the move. Thanks. As for self-cleaning, this is not so much a problem in my mind as as hanging fronds have been proven to be an inportant habitat for some critters. I have said before that some people in the local Villages complain that bats have taken up residence in the cart tunnels, but they tend to keep their Sabals and Washingtonias stripped bare so the bats don't really have a natural option....See MoreA couple of my palms - zone 9b Fresno, CA
Comments (13)I did Stan! I had one in Chowchilla at my previous place. This was out in the countryside so it was exposed to a lot of cold wind and frost in the winter (with overhead protection). Unfortunately after I moved, that palm was dug up and moved to a different spot in the yard. I drove by the other day and the majesty palm is barely hanging on with two spindly, green fronds. It was a beautiful palm with a bulging trunk that almost made it look like a spindle palm. I'll be trying some here in Fresno perhaps in the springtime after winter has come and gone. I've seen several Bismarkias in Bakersfield. Bakersfield is just over Tejon pass from the Los Angeles basin and I've noticed that nurseries there tend to carry more of the exotic palms - perhaps because they have more access to deliveries from palm growers in LA, Orange, Ventura and San Diego counties. I've been meaning to make a trip to Golden Gate Palms in Richmond to see if they carry any 5 gallon Bismarks. You wouldn't happen to know would you? Did you have a Howea forsteriana that was getting to a nice big size? I think I remember seeing posts about it a while back....See MoreSoil Food Web Success? Zone 9a Northeast Florida
Comments (14)Ah, okay... thank you Courtney. Yeah... the reason I wanted to delve a little is because there are some authors and well-meaning advocates who will take solid principles to the extreme, thus causing confusion. First... keep in mind (and some may not agree,) chemically speaking, there is little difference in 'synthetic' vs. 'organic' fertilizers. In most cases, the difference is only in 'form' and derivation. When we speak of nitrogen, we are really using the term as a shorthand for the many, many chemical forms that nitrogen can take. Some forms are indeed more 'available' to plants than others, but soil is a VERY complex environment. It's almost impossible to say that a fertilizer, by it's very nature (even if derived through 'synthetic' means,) is 'bad'. The processes and reactions happening in soil at any given time are innumerable. What may make any fertilizer 'bad', is not so much in its form or derivation, but in its use. For example... nitrogen, as a nutrient, is extremely 'mobile'. In most forms, it is readily water-soluble. Adding more than the soil web can make use of at any given time pretty much guarantees that the excess will 'run-off' into the environment. There it combines with all the rest of the over-used water-soluble nutrients, and causes problems of unintended consequence. Other forms of nitrogen 'gas-off' easily, and thus over- or improper use is simply a waste of resources. Generally speaking, 'organic' derivations of most nutrients are more stable (forms that are less reactive, and less water-soluble) than synthetics. However, this is not written in stone by any means. In my thinking, it's not the nutrient form itself (organic vs. synthetic) that makes a fertilizer 'bad', but the processes from which it is derived. I personally do not buy synthetic fertilizers (I have no desire to contribute to the resource-intensive processes involved its production - especially when there are so many naturally formed sources which our society considers 'waste' products,) but I use it when it is available to me (like when I rescue it from someone who, like you thought to do with your organics, was otherwise going to throw it 'away'.) Again, it's not the chemical form itself that is necessarily bad, but its [over]use. Many 'purists' want to avoid whatever particular product they deem 'bad', and there are some extremely organic chemical forms of nutrients which, in any amount, are detrimental to (especially closed) environments, but most products are perfectly fine supplements when used properly. So, as others have said, I wouldn't be afraid to use any fertilizer - and I certainly wouldn't consider throwing it 'away' - but learning to use any product properly is what makes something 'good' or 'bad' - or 'right' or 'wrong' - to use in any given place at any given time. :-) All that said :-), it's good to see you taking due concern in your own efforts in your own yard. That's where 'the rubber meets the road', and where each one of us can make the most positive effect in our environment on a day-to-day basis. Good work!...See Moretd1026
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