Searching the scarce information about Hort16a growing guidelines, I have found this document (sorry, again in French) dated in January 2001, when Hort16a was a novelty. If you don't understand french, I have extracted, in my opinion, the most important things for Hort16a growing (it probably is useful for Hort16a seedling too): - It is more vigorous than Hayward - It is very productive. The fruits are disposed along all the cane. - The percentage of non-fruiting buds is less important than in hayward (30% against 50%). - There aren't double or flat fruits. - The branching habit over the cane is with spur trend, which permits (when the number of replacement canes aren't enough) to keep a cane for a second year of production. - Due to its vigor, it is necessary 4 to 5 pruning passes during the summer, instead of 2 to 3 for Hayward. - In the case of "T" bar training, the Hort16 vigor is stressed in the bent of the cane. It is better a pergola training. - When grafted on adult Hayward rootstocks, it is capable to make the 70% of the canopy in the first year. We can obtain the full yield in 3 years. - It is cropped before Hayward, but it is the flesh color what determines the crop date.

Hi, I just found this thread and with it, some great ideas for some new places to try. We live on the North Shore (MA) on the seacoast just south of the the MA/NH line. Here are our favorites: Our Favorite: NunanÂs Florist and Greenhouse 269 Central Street, Georgetown, MA 01833 www.nunans.com (978) 352-2927â Great variety of annuals, perennials, herbs, shrubs, trees, vines, ferns, native plants, fruit trees, and unusual plants as well. They also have mulch, lots of gorgeous statuary, garden furniture, and a large and airy shop with every doo dad and tool you can imagine, and a full service florist shop. Prices are excellent and at the end of the season, you can get some amazing bargains. First Runner Up: Corliss Brothers Nursery 31 Essex Rd. Ipswich , MA 01938 http://www.corlissbros.com (978) 356-5422 Long time family owned nursery  they have great sales, an email "club", and you can find some wonderful things here. ItÂs a hike for us but we make the trip at least a couple of times a year. Second Runner Up: Wolf Hill 60 Turnpike Road, Ipswich, MA 01938 www.wolfhillgardencenter.com (978) 356-6342 Lots of perennials that you donÂt see in some of the larger nurseries. All kinds of "different" and unusual garden knick knacks and furbelows. Staff is vert knowledgeable and helpful. Their "first" store was in Gloucester but the Ipswich site is closer to us. CanÂt compare them, as we have never gone to Gloucester, but weÂve gotten some great plants at the Ipswich store plus some fabulous statuary. First Choice for Water Garden Suppliers and Guidance Country Gardens 157 Central Street, Rowley, MA 01969 http://www.countrygardens-rowley.com (800)628-0565 (978) 948-2124 Water garden specialists and our only place to shop for things for our pond. They are the expertÂs experts and both Bill and Lisa are always there, always ready to offer guidance and advice, and answer questions. They sponsor a large regional two day pond tour each year in June. First Choice for herbs, heirloom tomatoes, and herbal products. The Herb Farmacy 30 Elmwood Street, Salisbury, Massachusetts 01952 http://www.theherbfarmacy.com (978)834-7879 Best local source for herbs, vegetable plants, heirloom tomatoes, all organically grown. One thing to remember, they accept cash and checks but no credit cards. They give lectures on various topics throughout the area. I attended one sponsored by our local garden club and it was fabulous.

Bumping up again -- the printed out copy that stays in my car is suitably grimy!! Thanks, again, Sue. Mart

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