I think it's Hedera helix which produces this shape leaf in the arboreal phase, ie when it reaches the top of its support. The developing fruit in the photo look exactly like the berries which cover my shed every year and are beloved of pigeons especially. Curiously, if you take a cutting of the arboreal phase it will retain that foliage and not revert to its climbing guise. You can then grow yourself an ivy 'tree'. Here is a link that might be useful:

in photobucket.. use the HTML code.. paste it right here where you type.. on preview.. if you see it.. we will see it ... [NOT the IMG code] second plant.. if you could get a pic .. in focus.. of that one hanging leaf.. we might get somewhere.. if i saw those berries in summer.. i would think wild cherry.. prunus serotina.. but they should be long gone.. in nov ... the first looks so familiar.. for MI ... but i am blanking this morning ... honeysuckle.. WAG ... which is endemic in MI ... see link if you could mark the plants.. and get pic of actual leaves... or even dead ones from the ground.. it would probably be a lot easier than looking at sticks.. lol...a red berry isnt that great an ID variable by itself ... may the force be with you ... ken Here is a link that might be useful: hey honey ...

Here is picture of the berries. They are just starting to ripen. Pete N. Carolina

Thanks everyone. Now that you all gave me a reference and a name to look up, I have been able to find a lot on the internet and my own reference books. It looks like mine may be an edible variety...though since there is a lot of debate on the net and a lot of toxic varieties I will not add it to my home menu until absolutely sure. Here are a couple of interesting references that show some potential edible varieites. Thanks again for helping me on to solve my plant mystery! http://www.underutilized-species.org/documents/PUBLICATIONS/black_nightshades.pdf http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=solanam+nigran&n=21&ei=utf-8&fr2=piv-web&tnr=21&js=1