Vitis x Muscadine grape hybrids
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Comments (14)I'm coming to this conversation a few years late. The story of my life, LOL! Anyway, I live in the heart of Muscadine country, SE Georgia and have twelve vines in all. Three of them, Ison, Supreme, and Pam are beginning their third year of production. (They have bloom buds and will be blooming soon that is.) Two other varieties and a second Ison, will enter their first year of production this year. (Yes, I liked Ison enough to get a second vine.) The reputation of the Ison muscadine is that it's not very cold tolerant in comparison to some others. However it is one of the earliest black varieties to bare fruit, so if you succeed at taking measures to protect it in a colder climate, you have a better chance of actually getting fruits with Ison than you would with say Late Fry which has better cold tolerance but needs a much longer growing season to ripen fruit. If you like the white muscadines, maybe you should try a brand new one that has just come out called Hall. I don't have this one, but Hall is supposed to be very cold hardy and an early season variety. It's also self fertile like Ison, so you only need one vine. Lane is another new early season self fertile variety that has just come out. The subject of Lane raises another consideration when picking a muscadine, and that's skin qualities. One of the big improvements in muscadines is the skin. The skin of Ison is not as tough or bitter as some of the older varieties. But the skin of the still newer table varieties such as Supreme, Black Beauty, Late Fry, Lane and a few others is crunchy and sweet. So the lady who mentioned her daughter eating the skins, well, if its from one of the newer varieties such as Supreme, I don't blame her. Ison is a great muscadine bred expressly to have a lot of the flavor characteristics of wild muscadines. It's really meant for making jam and yes some wines where you have an especially strong "musky" muscadine flavor. As a result, some folks will tend to prefer the flavor of some of the table varieties that aren't so musky. Most of my vines are on trellises for fruit production. I planted my second Ison to go on a swing arbor. I was impressed with the way Ison has a long lasting two tone red green color phase on it's ripening grapes which I find very attractive. I planted the second vine on the swing arbor for aesthetic reasons on account of that characteristic. Last comment, someone mentioned the red pigment of black muscadines being unstable. Yes, that's true, but the variety Nobel, has the most stable pigmentation and therefor most commercial red muscadine wines will have at least some Nobel grapes in them. If the wine maker is going for a strong musk flavor, they will do about a 70% Ison and 30% Nobel mix. God bless. Marcus...See MoreHybridizing Vitis
Comments (2)Do you have any vitis that are 1/4 muscadine? I would be interested in getting some that have descent quality grapes. Generally when breeding in order to get the most desirable traits from two parents you would need to take a number of the half breeds and then cross them with each other. After so many crosses just by chance some traits will arrange themselves in the correct order. I mean if you have one grape with great flavor and another grape with great disease reistance then crossing them would usually result in something in between unless there are dominant/reccessive traits involved then the dominant traits will usually show. But if you take those cross breeds and cross them with each other then some will have a large degree of disease resistance, some will have medium, some low, some will have great flavor, some medium some low, and those traits will combine in different ways so a certain percentage of them would have the most desirable of each trait. The only problem is how many babies must you make to get that? Probably a lot. It's just a matter of chance I guess and picking whichever offspring is most desirable. But rather than constantly cross breeding specices I would be crossing them with their sisters and crossing them back with the parents in order to maximize the most desirable traits. Example: take the muscat flavored grape. Cross it with a muscadine for hardiness. Cross breed that with its siblings that exibit the most desirable traits (hardy and closest flavor). Then pick the best ones out of those crosses and cross it back with the muscat flavored parent! You should end up with a hardier version of the muscat! Actually in this case I would cross the 1/2 muscadines with a muscat again (to make sure they now have the right number of chromosomes and compatibility). Then out of thesee 1/4 breeds choose the one with the closest flavor and best disease resistance etc. then cross it back with the muscat parent. Again grow several seeds find the best specimen. I don't know if that would be hardy enough to grow in the south though. might want to try using a Blanc Du Bois which has muscat flavor but is restistant to southern disease use that in some of your crosses instead of the pure muscat....See MoreHow are your hybridizing projects going now that it's spring?
Comments (3)Hi B. You have definitely done alot of hybridizing work! I am truely a newbie at it. I have had little experience with grapes. We had a beautiful arbor here which was destroyed on the Inagural Day Storm..the year Mr. Clinton was sworn in. Probably the worst windstorm in modern history for our area. The arbor had table grapes..a red, a purple and a white. Of those, we have kept one, but use it more as an ornamental, keeping the vines quite short. However on the south side of the house, we have a Lemberger grape given to us by a commercial grower of wine grapes in Prosser, WA. The wines made from this grape are very good, but we just grow it as an ornament on a trellis. It actually yields quite well, but it has alot of seed so we don't eat or juice it. I don't know much about growing/propagating vitis, but if you would like some cuttings I'd be happy to send some. It does suffer from mildew as the weather gets hotter in August/Sept. We trim out leaves to give it more air, etc. It is a lovely leaf. Your work in attempting to breed a disease resistant vitis is very appealing! It would be a huge, and important advance for viticulture. I would love to work with columbines to try and develop a variety with some resistence to leaf miner. There is a species Columbine that has shown some resistence to the pest, but I have yet to fine a source of the seed. They don't hurt the plants, so they say, but they certainly do blemish the otherwise beautiful leaves. Do you have a system of record keeping for your hybridizing work? I assume you do. I'm wondering if you could post it? I have notes scattered all over the place, and really do need a system! Great to hear from you. Keep us posted. By the way...my husband would love the Salmon Berry Raspberry x should you succeed at that. I hadn't even heard of Pluots! Sounds delicious! SAM...See Moreadmmad
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