christinmk, I don't think you understand some aspects of the plant patent situation. "So if the seeds don't come "true" why the heck is it "illegal" to grow them??" It's NOT illegal to grow the seeds. It's ONLY illegal to propagate the plant vegetatively (cuttings, divisions, etc). Even if the sexually-created seeds happened to produce an exact duplicate (the odds are near zero), it would not be illegal to grow them (at least if you could show that they were from seed). Another side to this is that most propagators would never do anything about a hobbyist vegetatively propagating a plant for their own use. I guess you could say it's like running a stop sign in the middle of the desert when you could see 20 miles in every direction. "All it is (,) is nursery industry greed..." Is wanting to be able to make a barely decent living greedy? Many plant patent holders make relatively little on their creation. They work long and hard hours and deserve the fruit of their labor (pun intended). Without plant patents, many of the newer plants today simply wouldn't exist. The law is mainly aimed at commercial production, but does equally apply to everyone (even the hobbyist). I'll bet many shoplifters are able to justify their actions by thinking that the stores are greedy, but that doesn't change what's right and wrong, and it doesn't make the activity legal. Most propagators only want to protect their creative-property and their means of making a living. The law was written by the legislature, not by the hard working propagators (a large number of which are hobbyist themselves).

Ken - I think you should submit your Holiday White photo to the Hosta Library. Much better photo than what is shown. Just a thought.

Looking for either the plant or a good dozen of the green envy cone flower. I can do postage.

I have one, lol! A greenhouse that is. I am just a no good lazy gardener. My tomatoes got bugs galore. I sprayed them once with neem oil. Do not know if that did any good. Also fertilized them. But the weather has not been our friend here in MI this year. Very buggy. Tomatoes all green on some plants, and showing no signs of wanting to ripen. I think they have given up. But I do have some tomatoes that are ripening, so what's not to love. I have brought tomatoes in for the winter to ripen, but they don't develop flavor. So we'll see what Sept. brings. I know some green tomato recipes, but I'm not really much of a green tomato fan. At least "green" as in "unripe" but we'll see about GWR ones next year maybe. I can imagine some cool green salsa! I make it with unripe tomatoes, that's the stuff I think is blah/blech. Now tomatillo salsa, that's another story, I like that!