Hi Scott, It would save me a tremendous amount of space and make me extremely glad if I could fit all 4 varieties into a single 30' x 30' circle area dedicated to the 4-in-1 tree's life-long spread. I want to bounce still a couple of potential complications with this senario, all of which may be resolvable. And believe me: I am willing to be vigilant and careful in maintaining the tree's 4-way balance if it turns out that I decide to things this way. 4 Separate rootstocks/cultivars in one hole: 1. Peach trees are, even when left unrestricted, smaller trees with smaller trunk and root systems then American persimmons. If I give each cultivar its respective 1/4 room to spread its foliage, I fear that each tree will struggle to obtain enough solar sourced energy to support itself; although, one point could be to note that pruning will keep the trunk and roots small and potentially/hopefully proportionate to each tree's respective trunk/root-stem/needs. The 4+ major scaffolds arising from the base of the peach, cherry, wild-growing persimmon, etc. are sharing the same nutrients via the same root-system. If I ever decide to let the tree grow to full form and size, the 4 trunks would grow so large and strive to get away from the other trunks that they would fall down. 2. Jerry Lehman convinced me that it is not likely that American persimmons would properly inosculate, that instead of fusing they would bruise and rot - specifically American persimmons, not all trees. This doesn't, however, have anything to do with spacing the four trees in the same hole 20" apart. 3. However, it seems to me pretty feasible: which is to carefully keep the 4 trees in relative 1/4-balance within the 4-way circle. 4. Your description of that cherry tree above makes me think that we are talking about not many trees in the same hole, but a single tree bearing various root stocks in-grafted? Is that what you recommend? I've been told that persimmons are notorious from dropping former limbs when new ones are added. Let me know which situation you recommend for me: 4 trees in one hole or should I do a multi-graft tree - if I could do the later and be secure that it would work, I could just keep my 4 saplings for the future purpose of being the scion bank for the multi-graft tree. I keep hearing that I shouldn't do a multi-graft persimmon tree. I just got my persimmons in the mail and I quickly put them in the ground pending what I finally decide upon. I really appreciate discussing my options on this with you - at least when I do choose a plan, I'll have considered practically every option. Thanks, Steve

I have a mature spruce tree planted in the front yard, way to close to the house, by the previous owners. In fact, even in the back yard there was a spruce tree stump left in the CENTRE of the yard. It sort of confuses me picturing a big spruce blocking the middle of the yard (I would have put it off to the side), but anyways... Grass doesn't really grow underneath the front yard spruce, but it does grow "sparsely" not too far out from the canopy, maybe 8 feet. During wet spells it gets a bit of length, but it's the first to brown during drought. Before I knew what bishops gout weed was, I tried growing it right under the spruce and even that struggled, though it did spread just a bit in two years. I removed after I joined this forum and realized that if it ever did "break free" into the better soil, it would overtake my yard. About 10 feet from the centre trunk of the spruce I do have shrubs lining the front of the house, hedge cottoneaster. They have done remarkably well despite dry and only part shade. Actually, these shrubs started life as seedlings which where growing under my parent's deck at the lake which is kind of neat. I also have a globe caragana not too far away. It grows slowly but surely. After eight years it's only 2 feet high and not very wide. On the side of the front steps I tried to get a dropmore honeysuckle vine to grow. Thought it would look nice on the railing, but it really hasn't done much, some year's it resembles a 3 foot high rope but not very bushy. Despite all this, in a spot by the spruce and the sidewalk that leads to my front steps, I did plant a mugo pine I got on clearance (yeah, one of those inpulse buys). After two years it's done fairly well. Actually, if it struggles a bit and remains small that would be ideal for that spot anyways, as I actually have a real small yard. In our neighborhood, I have seem some people with spruce's put landscape ties around them and then mulch (either wood or stone mulch) but I can't say I really like that look. For the most part I do run the lawnmower under the spruce (for the bit of grass and odd weed that grows there) and about twice a year rake up pine cones and needles. Glen

Snoogie, I have the same problem with one of my cherry trees. I moved in to our house about 5 years ago and after the first full season I started noticing large parts of the tree dying off. First the leaves turn yellow, then red. Then they fall off altogether and a fungus grows on the bark. I've been trimming the dead sections each year, but this may be it's last. Any suggestions on treatment to attempt to save it would be greatly appreciated.

There are a lot of ifs, ands and buts to all this. I knew within a few minutes that I was not impressed with this young man. Instead of addressing the immediate problem he started making some changes in the way I had my PC set up, explaining that you can do this and this and this, as I am saying, yes I know and I don't want it that way, etc. It would take too long to try to explain this whole thing, but after not being able to fix the problem he said he could do a ? (don't remember what he said,) but it would cost $135. I didn't respond to that. I will mention that the next morning I called the bank and put a stop payment on the check. I emailed him and told him that and that I needed time to decide what to do next. I got an email back and he more or less suggested the problem was that I wouldn't let him fix it because of the expense, and he did spend a lot of time, etc, etc. I called the bank, had the Stop payment removed, emailed him and told him so, and wished him well. I just didn't want to deal with him any more. So then I started searching around HP Support and found a great online help site and was able to do the D/L for V7. Ravencajun, I had read and tried your suggestions in the original thread but ran into a problem and backed out. Sometimes that is just what you have to do. Mikie, I have tried the 200% and it makes the pic a little larger, but not as large as it had been. Have you been able to get on when they were doing a drive? They have been having problems with the cams recently. I would still like for someone who has V6 to try a screen shot and see if they get a large pic. Sue, I've never bought warranties on anything. Most everything comes with a year's guarantee, and most problems happen in the first year. At least that is my reasoning. lol. This problem would not have been covered, because I caused it; it wasn't a HP problem. Oh, well, it is over now and I learned again, when all else fails, read the directions. There is a wealth of help in the HP Support site that I had never even looked at before. Oh, by the way, the charge was $10 for a house call and $50 for the time. My thinking was if the young man feels he earned his money, so be it. If he didn't earn it, it is on his conscience, not mine. This rambled I know. I am known among my friends as not being able to tell a short story! Sue