Nice pics, thanks!

They were loaded with cones when I was there, guess I was lucky to hit on a good crop year.

Resin

Nice job.

I was recently in the Bandera/Medina/Vanderpool area so I purchased a couple Pinus remota in 5 gal. containers. I'm curious to see how they will do in my yard (just north of Austin). The young ones I saw growing looked very spruce-like in habit. I actually went looking for some Texas Madrone (I bought 2 of them) and also gathered Quercus laceyii acorns and Acer grandidatum seeds while in the area. I planted the Madrones, but they are generally difficult to grow.

I was recently in the Bandera/Medina/Vanderpool area so I purchased a couple Pinus remota in 5 gal. containers

Where did you buy them at? Not easy to find in nurseries around here

I like it alot. For some reason i was thinking that a pine with such a reputation for heat and drought tolerance would look sparse, tufted, and gnarled. But these specimens are lush and dense. Beautiful

"Natives of Texas" nursery between Kerrville and Medina carried them 3-4 years ago. Don't know if they currently do.

I got mine at Medina Garden Nursery in Medina. Address is 13417 State Hwy 16 North Bandera. Phone 830-589-2771.

Natives of Texas had no pinyon, but that is where I found my madrones.

Nurserymen at both locations are wonderfully nice to deal with.

I own property west of Camp Wood, near the location of these pictures. You are correct in suggesting the height estimate of these trees is incorrect. I have one well over 40 feet on a 20 acre tract. Also, if you keep cattle and goats off the property and clear the cedars, the Pinons will grow like wild fire. I have cleared six acres and in two years have several new pines popping up. With no competition they will grow verticle especially along creek beds. I'll send pictures in the near future. Thanks for the pics.

Did your trees cone at all this year? none of the ones I saw produced any, but it looks like next year will be a good crop.

largest one I saw near the road is pictured beside my truck

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One of my favorite trees. Would you mind sending some seeds to me?

Glad to hear these pines are still vigorous in that area.
I'm surprised that there's not a bigger push to expand their range.

"I'm surprised that there's not a bigger push to expand their range"

Have to admit I'm not surprised - apart from a handful of conifer geeks like us here, no-one has heard of the species. Too many supposed botanical 'experts' still fail to distinguish it from Pinus cembroides.

First thing that's needed is for the Flora of North America account of Pinus to be revised by someone with better knowledge of the genus than the hack who wrote the current content. Second, a ditto for the US Forest Service Silvics Manual.

Resin

Atleast we have those things!

Resin, you are being unfair to Robert Kral, who wrote Pinus for the Flora of North America. He was not a pine specialist, true, and was an odd choice for that assignment, but calling him a hack is not warranted. He did the best he could, but relied (too) heavily on E.L.Little's works. In Kral's opinion P. cembroides var. remota was too similar to P. cembroides var. cembroides to "maintain", but he did include it in synonymy. The paper in which Bailey and Hawksworth raise Little's var. remota to a species relies heavily morphologically on seed coat thickness, but my own measurements of this trait showed it to be a good bit more variable than they indicated. I am not saying it does not deserve species status, but that these judgments are made all the time.
The Silvics Manual is not intended to be a silva, and inclusion of species is commercially biased and arbitrary. I think remota would have been included if it grew on national forest land.

"He was not a pine specialist, true"

That's my point . . . no published work on pines, nor even on any conifers at all. Even the Abies account (however questionable the species delimitations might be) was at least done by someone who had studied the genus a lot. Why didn't they get e.g. Ron Lanner or some other published pine specialist to do the pines?

Resin

RE: I'm surprised that there's not a bigger push to expand their range.

Plus it might be only zone 8 hardy, not as hardy as edulis certainly not monophylla. Although its bigger and faster than both as far as I can tell. It might not grow as well in moister portions of central texas. But im trying some.

As for giving it species status, apart from thin shells what about turpentine analysis? Anyone done it? I cant recall off the top of my head if the perry book mentions it.

Have any of you seen cembroides as large as the one above?

Panserbjorn,

Yes, I've seen some in Chihuahua taller but perhaps not as broad as the one in the pic. I can't recall if they were P. discolor or P. cembroides..

osprey

Yep, I've seen P. cembroides in Coahuila that were over 15m, possibly pushing 20m tall.

Will check later on any P. remota resin composition info

Resin