Mighty cool! Picea pungens 'Charming Chub' is 'Regal Chub' fyi. There was a name mix-up and Abies concolor 'Charming Chub' & Picea pungens 'Charming Chub' were once in existence... no longer though. 'Regal Chub' became the pungens.

Dax

A fantastic lot of photos very interesting Zsolt, and I think it's not finished.But like each collection, I note some errors (mistake) :
Picea glauca "Aurea" don't exist,maybe "Kornell Dwarf Yellow"
Picea glehnii "Josawa" must be written "Yosawa" and the photo are not representative because he become a little tree.
Picea jezoensis "Chinese Marl" are a picea glehnii
Picea jezoensis "Frice" are not a jezoensis,maybe Picea bicolor.
Picea mariana "Aris" are not Picea mariana, maybe Picea glauca
Picea rubens "Wustemeyer" are not a picea rubens.
However a fantastic collection.
Clement

Thanks for the remarks, I'm also now in the controlling phase with the names. 4500 photos in a week...

See you

Zsolt

If Valenta Gardens is in the Czech republic, then "Josawa" must be written as "Josawa", just as "Jaro" must be written as "Jaro" :O)

Thank you Zsolt for taking the time to post these pix and the other threads as well. Very nice that you chose to undertake this task.

tj

Zsolt, thanks for this fantastic photo collection, it's an amazing collection!
Some day I hope to see this collection with my own eyes!

Also some name corrections from me:
Picea glauca 'Albertiana W.B.'
Must be written as
Picea glauca var. albertiana 'Hexenbesen'.

The Picea likiangensis 'W.B.' is probably the Picea likiangensis var. balfouriana (now only Picea balfouriana) 'Mittenwald' which was found by Gunther eschrich from Germany.
Investigation from me makes it clear that this one isn't a Picea balfouriana, but a Picea glauca witches' broom...
The true name is now Picea glauca 'Mittenwald'.

The one at the Picea omorika 'Freya' pic isn't the right one.
'Freya' will become a tree, maybe the one at the pic is a witches' broom which drives from a 'Freya'...

Picea omorika 'Radlov'
Must be written as
Picea omorika 'Radloff'
This is a very nice weeping form.

Picea orientalis 'Well's Minima' was long ago renamed in what is now Picea orientalis 'Mt. Vernon'.

Picea orientalis 'Skylands W.B.' is renamed in 'Tom Thumb Gold' aka 'Tom Thumb'.

Picea pungens 'Fat albert W.B.' is later renamed in 'Blue Pearl'.
These are mentioned here as differend plants while these are the same one.

Picea pungens 'Hexenblaukissen' is just 'Blaukissen'.
This one is also found by my German friend Gunther Eschrich and is one of the best P. pungens witches' brooms ever found.

Picea pungens 'Stanley's Pygmy' isn't a Picea pungens at all, it's a Picea glauca cultivar.
I found out that this one is in reality Picea glauca 'Cesarini'.

Picea sitchensis 'Wiesje'
Must be written as
Picea sitchensis 'Peve Wiesje'.
It's found by Piet Vergeldt from The Netherlands.

'Yosawa' is from Japan and must written this way.

Edwin,

just go rush to Cesko. People are very kind, hostels nice and familiary, and take a big transporter to take your new plants home!

I had a good job at Lada. He labeled all his plants, so I needed only the camera to take the labels and the plants. Meanwhile I photographed 4500, half of them were the labels. All are stored for later, and I can take them in any doubful situations. These are not stored for internet use. On the field I had no big books in the pocket to clear any doubts there in situ.

Take simply a first phase documenting action, where I could make photos of what I see there. I hope Lada will get also the corrections shortly to make his labels better like before.

So long I'm still not ready with the photos, but I see the light going out of the tunnel.

Clement gave me also some corrections with Picea glehnii and Picea jezoensis cultivars. Since that I viewed my lists, and I saw surprisingly that the doubtful selections are listed under both species:

Chinese Marl: as glehnii by the Gee Farms in 2010, and 1992 By Horstmann as a jezoensis.
Chitose-maru: as glehnii in 1976 JPN, then as a jezoensis by Mitsch Nurs. OR in 1988.
Yosawa: 1988 JPN as glehnii, 1983 Horstmann as jezoensis.

This is my problem. Horstmann, Mitsch and Gee Farms has problems with the identification of a glehnii and a jezoensis? And quite sure it is not my problem. This is the problem, guys. I believe better to the Japan sources.
OR? Any suggestions?

Zsolt

Yes, it's a big problem of identification between Picea glehnii, jezoensis and bicolor. 3 japanese picea,very differents, I don't understand.
Clement

Thank you Zsolt!

Its an interesting theory, that "'Yosawa' is from Japan and must written this way."

The Japanese language of course doesn't use the Latin alphabet.

Just out of curiosity, I tried a few words and phrases in Google translate.
There is no translation for either "Yosawa" or "Josawa".
In fact, there is no translation for the letter "j" or the letter "y", according to the result I got:

Therefore, the name as written using the Latin alphabet appears to be a phonetic interpretation of the Japanese spoken word, to whatever other language a particular country uses.
In the Czech Republic that would be "Josawa", while elsewhere it might be "Yosawa"..... take your pick :O)

Jaro, (or Yaro?)

I guess you captured a global linguistic problem with name.

All before: the label at Lada Valenta's garden was Yosawa, as many of us thinks, its the correct way of pronounciation. As I named the photo, for me as a hungarian - and familiar with japanese pronounciation - naturally wrote Josawa. Just because, we pronouce our "j" as an "y" for english speaking nations. This means, if the japanese want to pronounce the city "Jokohama" by other nation as they make it, they write on the maps "Yokohama". And they will hear back their correct name as "Jokohama".

I know this debate since ages, as describing cultivars of different nations. I decided in the beginning yet, that generally all name must be written in the home language. Its simply impossible for the world to give everything an english name. There is no reason for it.

In my one week trip to Cesko I never found others, just czech conifer names. Thats right, who wants czech conifers, must learn their names. I also learn the names of any other nations, and other learn my names. Even there are among them strange characters.

Imagine please, now only 10-15 nations have conifer breeding in the world. In some decades come more, even from the Pacific area with never heard podocarpaceae in suaheli or any unknown languages, or chinese or russian from their incredible rich conifer forests. This time is very near to us. I will later show some Siberian and chinese selections by european expeditions as of Kohout and Etzelstorfer in the last years.
Bingo! They gave russian and chinese names for their beautiful plants, and I'm sure these will be learned by all of us! First in english version - and if anybody pronounce them in english, it will sound like the original.

Zsolt

Excellent ! ....thanks for the world tour Zsolt !

Here's another idea: How about instead of trying to convert a foreign-pronounced word into Latin alphabet by interpretation, we simply TRANSLATE the meaning into the other (English) language ?
For example, "Jaro" means spring seazon.
I would love to know what "Josawa" means.
To me, that would be the correct name outside Japan.
Taking another example, is 'Goldylocks' actually a translation of 'Tenysu-kazu' ? (I doubt it)

PS. thanks for the info about Hungarian pronunciation -- I didn't know it was the same as in Czech :)

'Yosawa' is just a Japanese person's second name, nothing else...