winter 2011 grafting update

sluice

13 years ago

Enjoy!

Pinus ponderosa 'Antler Ridge'

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Pinus sylvestris 'Blue Angel'

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Pseudotsuga menziesii 'Green Fairy'

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Pinus contorta 'Sphene'

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Pinus parviflora 'Goldilocks'

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coniferjoy
13 years ago
Nice job Nate!
That yellow Pinus ponderosa 'Antler Ridge' is a very special one.
Did you found this one also, or can give more info about it?
Thanks!
gardener365
13 years ago
That light really draws those candles out quickly. Are those the Goldilocks scions I sent?

Dax
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Edwin, that is Doc Farwell's Grafting Seal. I'm trying it this year because I saw Dax using it. ;) So far it seems to be working well. I think it might help keep the tissue at the union hydrated until it knits. I put the grafting band on first, and then apply the sealant. In my basement the humidity can get very low, especially during winter. This is probably due to my semi-arid climate, combined with a forced air furnace. I have noticed an increase in % takes using the sealant. There is also a bonsai video where the guy uses tree sealant on juniper grafts, which seems to support this technique. The link is below. Here is a link that might be useful: juniper bonsai graft video
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Thank you Dax. This was about my third year in trying to propagate this J. virginiana. The first year I tried strong rooting hormone on cuttings, that failed. Second year I tried grafting with a knife (not razor sharp, just sharp) and doing the bag method except I did not let them breath, those all failed (quick), Spider mite infestation on the root stalks, and the knife not being razor sharp was likely the main causes for a quick death. Third year (this year) The scions seemed green for a long time in the humidity chamber after grafting, but I think that was just because the humidity preserved the chlorophyll even though the scions where getting little to no water uptake from the root stalk (guessing). The only ones to eventually grow a tiny bit and did not turn brown for the longest time, were the ones I had half in a jar of water (approach grafts), and they actually grew, but after I took the "graft" out of the humidity and removed the jar the tender new growth quickly shrived up and the last couple of scions I had died. I don't know if this guess is true or not, But I've been guessing (and hoping) the the only reason they failed is because I got the scions off the parent tree as the tree was coming out of dormancy in February (pollen cones on the tree where large and swollen, and just about to burst open). A very warm winter did not help either (breaking dormancy even earlier than typical.) So perhaps the scions did not have time to heal before the water started to transpire out of the foliage of the scions and juices flowing in the scions, thus a very poor graft union that was very susceptible to even tiny stresses in the aftercare (in other words: little to no water and nutrient uptake for the scions). Does this sound likely or not, (I don't mind if you disagree with what I said above, I want to learn as much as possible, so you can tell how you think about it). This time I want to get the scions in the dead of winter (in January). Do you think bagging the grafts could be better than the humidity chamber? Bagging them would be more work and I worry about spider mites, but I don't mind to do what ever it takes to get a successful cone of it, I'll do it. I would even spend hundreds or maybe even thousands of dollars to graft/clone it successfully. lol You probably know how it is for me, ones favorite plant/tree of a plant enthusiast is kind of like a very close family pet.
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Clement, thanks for the pics of your grafting set-up! Here's something I hadn't seen before. This Picea pungens sat in the humidity chamber for about 4 weeks. When I took it out, there were roots growing from the side of the trunk! New growth on Pinus ponderosa understock.
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MangoKush: I would say they are sour in the unripe stage and a tart/sweet when ripe, it's a favorite amongst children more so than adults... I don't know much about the various cultivars here in the U.S. though so the trees here may be much more sweet... In the PH the carambola and the bilimbi are present in both sweet and sour varieties, and the bilimbi is usually only found sweet in PH so I'm not so sure about the claims of just the sour kind in Asia. There's a few good wikiarticles. :)
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sluice
Original Author
13 years ago
Dax, it turns out I also received Goldilocks from another person earlier. The ones you sent should not be far behind.

Coniferjoy, I did just find the ponderosa in the mountains last weekend when collecting the flexilis 'South Park' broom.
Elev. 9500 ft (2895 m). It will be interesting to see what happens with it.
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coniferjoy
13 years ago
Nate, thanks for your info.
At your first pic the needle colour is much more brighter then the pic you took from the whole tree.
Is this because you're using a flash light on your camara?
Anyway, a yellow(ish) ponderosa is very special!
sluice
Original Author
13 years ago
Edwin, the first pic is taken without flash, but under a full spectrum grow light which mimics natural sunlight.
The tree pic was taken under cloudy conditions.
I'll continue to watch the color of the graft over time. We'll see what happens!
Unfortunately the tree is very far from me, and I cannot observe its habits on a regular basis.
In general, some of the trees in this area are a bit lighter color. This one was more so than the rest.
gardener365
13 years ago
Special indeed!

Dax
sluice
Original Author
13 years ago
A few more from today.

Picea pungens 'JM3C'
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Pinus wallichiana 'Zebrina'
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Abies lasiocarpa 'Jade Sky'
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Abies lasiocarpa 'Blue Spire'
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Pseudotsuga menziesii 'Green Fairy'
with pollen cone
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Pinus ponderosa 'Agnieszka'
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Pinus mugo 'Starkl'
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Pinus thunbergii 'Ogon' and Picea pungens 'C. Blue'
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gardener365
13 years ago
Coor's Blue is a dandy. Wow does that light push them fast. Fannnnnnnnntastic!

Dax
coniferjoy
13 years ago
Nice graftings Nate, you're becomming a real specialist!
The Picea pungens 'C. Blue' is a very nice dwarf cultivar.
What does the "C." mean?

The Pinus ponderosa 'Agnieszka' is the only variegated Pinus ponderosa in which I'm familiar with.
This one isn't from the U.S. but from Poland and is found and introduced by Janusz Szewcyk.

In my opinion your 'Blue Spire' isn't an Abies lasiocarpa cultivar, but an Abies procera cultivar.
The true name is Abies procera 'Blue Spiral', found and introduced by Larry Stanley.
gardener365
13 years ago
I missed that, yes it should be procera. Since I sent Nate the scions...

Best Regards,

Dax
firefightergardener
13 years ago
Exciting stuff. I'd love to grow some of these plants down the road. Keep up the great work Nate!

-Will
gardener365
13 years ago
cut - some scions today, Nate. When that 'JMC3' gets going like some of those others, photo please !

Dax
sluice
Original Author
13 years ago
Correction, the 'Starkl' shown above is actually 'Pjatra Kraluj' !

Updates from today:

Picea pungens 'JM3C'
This is looking like a cone.
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Pinus sylvestris 'Blue Angel'
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Pinus parviflora 'Goldilocks'
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Abies lasiocarpa 'Jade Sky'
(grafted on A. grandis superplug from U. Idaho)
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Pseudotsuga menziesii baby seedlings
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Pinus mugo 'Pstra'
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Picea pungens 'Nagykoros'
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Picea engelmannii 'Nefertiti'
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gardener365
13 years ago
Damn Good Stuff.

Dax
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
13 years ago
Nate, great pics of everything.
Also wanted to add that your Pseudotsuga mix looks superb.
Bark, perlite, pumice, and turface?

Josh
sluice
Original Author
13 years ago
Edwin, my understanding is that the pungens at one time was referred to 'Coors Blue', although now it is formally named 'C. Blue'.
Thanks for the background information on P. ponderosa 'Agnieszka', and to you and Dax for the Abies procera 'Blue Spiral' clarification.

Josh, that's pretty close! Bark, perlite, turface, scoria, and a pinch of potting soil.
gardener365
13 years ago
'C.Blue' the story goes that the name 'associated' Coors Beer, so the name was shortened. It's quite unlikely that most grafters and nursery folk know this...

Dax
mesterhazypinetum
13 years ago
Guys,
as I know the C. Blue was earlier really Coors Blue by Jerry Morris, but the property owner, where the plant was found, didn't want to use his name.
Dax?

Zsolt
greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
13 years ago
Ah, missed the pinch of potting soil! ;-)
I have some seeds sown in the same mix...just waiting for them to pop up, if they're still viable.

Josh
sluice
Original Author
13 years ago
A few more

Pinus banksiana 'Angel'
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Picea smithiana 'Sunray'
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Pinus contorta 'Anna Aurea'
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gardener365
13 years ago
Pro.

Dax

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