Yes, it's been discussed many times on this and other fora. But it's a bit more complicated. J&P does not own Parks. The people who own a part of Parks are the ones who bought the part of J&P that excludes their production fields. The couple (who made their money as realtors in Florida) also own a propagation facility in Hodges (just up the road from the huge Parks facility) that propagates from very small amounts of plant material and are not exclusive to roses.

I ordered Fourth of July, Speelwark and Carefree Wonder from this sale, and was kind of frustrated that when I tried to order 2 of the carefree wonders, which should have given me 4 for free, the shopping cart just listed 2 free ones. I meant to call them to add on the last 3 but didn't. Anyway, I kept checking to see if they had sent a shipping notification, but nothing. The order just said "in stock and reserved". Finally, yesterday, (monday) the status said shipped. Didn't say what carrier, when to expect, nothing. Today...a Fed Ex truck pulls up and drops off this little box. Oh, no...so I rush out and open it, thinking no way can 9 roses fit in this box! Well, 6 of them are huge and healthy. The Speelwarks are a little small, but very healthy looking. No broken canes. Houdini himself packed this box. All were super hot. No packing peanuts. It came from California, and was shipped yesterday. Strange for Wayside--everything else from them comes from S. Carolina with loads of peanuts in big boxes, with confirmation and tracking emails. I'm wondering if this is the last of the J&P roses that Wayside owned? I'm regretting not calling and ordering more of the Carefree Wonders because they are absolutely huge. With shipping and tax, the order came to 56.xx for 9 really nice roses. I think I got a good deal. I just wish I could remember where I was going to plant the Speelwarks. I thought I had a plan.... Oh, btw, my test panel roses are growing fast! One was very slow to leaf out but finally is catching up. Two are budding already. I didn't have the fuel surcharge on my order, but I ordered them pretty early in the spring. Cindi

It isn't the big sale that they did the past two years, but I am beginning to wonder if they will have a big sale this year. Three years ago they did what they called 'Krazy Keith's' and denied that it was affiliated in any way. Wayside gardens is also doing buy one and get two free with a few different varieties. Diana

ralph the link didn't work. but as a professional retoucher, i can tell you with certainty those blues you see online and in catalogs are tweaked- sometimes a little, sometimes a lot. it's very easy for even a novice to goose the color a bit. i have a colleague, who is not a gardener, who did a good bit of retouch for a dayllily grower who had him widen the petals on all his pix. it made me pretty mad, and i explained to this friend that although i personally don't like the wide petals, many do, and pay top dollar to buy said 'improved' plants, and the guy was essentially advertising under false pretenses. i haven't been lucky (or unlucky) enough to work on garden type photos for my work. i'd have a hard time with that conflict and would turn down the job even though i'd love working on plant pix if i felt it was false advertising. this was couple yrs ago- but it's made me hesitate at really fantastic pix since, esp since i know how do-able it is. i try to see a plant in person before i believe any hype, and am always skeptical of blues. so buyer beware! tammy