I prefer that companies charge at the time of order. It never fails that I have to scramble with companies that charge at shipping every few years, not because I don't have the funds, but because a credit card has been hacked and the number changed, or I've paid one off and closed the account, or some other minor financial change that requires that I now contact all the time-of-shipping places and give them the new information. On average, I'd say it happens every 4 to 5 years. Lisa

shaz01, you don't say where you are located, and that makes a big difference. Since I am in zone 6 in Texas I have a much longer growing season, and regardless of the size of plant I purchase I have always had blooms the first year. Regardless, it is that three year rule we all talk about. The first year it sleeps, the second it creeps, and the third year it just leaps up the trellis. Many of mine are in the fourth year, and the blooms are just loaded, regardless of how the plant looks. We have had hot dry winds, and the plants don't look great, but they are loaded with blooms. I have blooms on some I have just planted, but the root system on some I ordered were just like a two year old plant. I have had large plants in two gallon pots that have struggled the first year I planted them. I think the variety and location have a lot to do with how well they do. Also consider, sun, part sun ect, which I am still working on. Good luck with yours! Debra

Yep, it was a GREAT swap. Kudos to Jeff for being our fearless leader for so long! And, thanks, Rhonda, for stepping in to fill a BIG pair of shoes - you'll do great. Thanks to everyone for taking my babies home. :-) And a big thanks, also, to everyone who gave me plants (Connie, that Cosmos was the prize-winner today - thank you so much). Also, Chip said to tell y'all thanks for the tomatoes and pepper plants, too! --April P.S. For those of you who asked, you can see a few more photos from my garden at www.myspace.com/tnsabregirl. Click the Pics link under my photo. See y'all next time! Here is a link that might be useful: Photos of my garden on MySpace

Eric, You wrote this awhile ago, but I have compiled a list of fragrant plants based on recommendations from our friends over at the fragrant forum. It is not a complete list, and plants/vines are not listed in any particular order. It is just a compilation that I add to from time to time. Hope this helps. Passiflora serratodigitata P. helleri P. sprucei P. belottii P. colinvauxii has stunning intense honeysuckle fragrance when it first opens P. alata P. Incense Daturas Clerodendrum trichotomum Magnolia hypoleuca Illicium Floridanum Daphne odora Boronia Clethra alnifolia Wintersweet, Chimonanthus praecox Carolina allspice (Calycanthus sp.) Fragrant Cloud - Hybrid Tea Rose Madame Isaac Pereire - Antique Rose Prospero & Golden Celebration - David Austin Roses Double Delight - Hybrid Tea Rose (pretty colors) Sombreuil - (beautifully shaped white flower) climbing antique Tiffany - Hybrid Tea Rose Hansa - Rugosa Rose Scentimental - Hybrid Tea (red and white striped-neato!) Sweet Chariot - miniature "hanging basket" rose Mr. Lincoln - Hybrid Tea Blanc Double de Coubert rugosas crinum odorata Crinum powellii and C. moorei hedychium coronaria, or common white ginger Hedychium flavescens/gardnerianum/flavum/(coronarium)-maybe too strong Sweet Autumn Clematis Korean spice viburnum Clematis Montana Viburnum Carlesii (clove scent) Magnolia Virginiana Viola Odora Lillium "Le Reve" Cestrum diurnum Dracaena fragans orchid Vanda merillii Brassavola nodosa (lady of the night orchid). Nicotiana alata or N. sylvestris Holarrhena densiflora (Jasmine Tree) Quisqualia indica (Rangoon Creeper) Salvia clevelandii 'Aromas' Salvia clevelandii/Cleveland Sage Thornless Honey Locust-Gleditsia triacanthos f. inermis Little Leaf Linden- Tilia cordata Pittosporum undulatum (Victorian Box) Pittosporum tobira/Mock Orange Coleonema pulchrum/Breath of Heaven Luculia intermedia/pinceana-Luculia Viburnum carlesi 'Compactum' Syringa microphylla 'Superba' Clethra 'Ruby Spice' Daphne 'Carol Mackie' hyacinths, Nicotiana, oriental lilies, and easter lilies Weigela florida 'Variegata nana' Cimicifuga 'Hillside Black Beauty' Primula florindae, the Tibetan Primrose Abelia trilora a tall shrub related to the honeysuckle with sweet scented white flowers in June. Azara microphylla has masses of tiny yellow flowers in March scented of vanilla. The variagated form is a very elegant ornamental tall shrub. Chimonanthus praecox is a tall shrub which produces pale yellow flowers in January & February with a a strong sweet scent - a few flowers can scent a room. Daphne bholua is an oustanding tall Daphne from the Himalayas it started flowering 1st December & into March. Evergreen & deciduous forms occur in the wild. Eupatorium ligustrinum is an evergreen shrub with a strong incense smell (after a shower) the masses of white flowers also, from September into December. Hedychium gardnerianum is an outstanding ginger lily. Magnolia hypoleuca or x wieseneri good for scent in June. Michelia doltsopa has large white flowers in spring, very effective on a hot sunny day. Michelia Champaca Michelia Champaca Alba Michelia Figo Wild clover - Melilotus alba acidanthera, 'peacock orchid' Rhododendron atlanticum - It's flowers have a wonderful blended fragrance of gardenia and clove Brunfelsia Nitida (lady of the night) Helichrysum (Licorice plant) Buddleia Asiatica Aloysia virgatas (sweet almond) Sarcococca Hookeriana Humilis Aglaia Brunfelsia americana Brunfelsia australis Euphorbia leucocephala Gardenia 'White Gem' Hedychium coronarium Hoya lacunosa Hoya odorata Jasmine molle Jasmine sambac Lonicera japonica Stephanotis floribunda Portulandia grandiflora Osmanthus fragrans Cananga odorata