Hi again,

It looks like many people have read this without commenting..... I'm still wondering if I'm on the right track or not......

I am a *total amateur* so in addition to sharing this list, I was hoping to get comments/feedback on the particular varieties and learn more about fruit taste.

I hope that Dave Wilson's best tasting fruit list is not merely stark marketing and that the 3 in 1 hole idea is not merely an attempt to sell more trees.....

Just looking for good fruit and an extended harvest period......my peaches and nectarines got eaten up so fast this summer!

any thoughts, comments, suggestions? all feedback is appreciated!

Hope you are all enjoying these absolutely gorgeous days....

----lucia

Thanks for so much work on the fruit lists! I am in Newman just southeast of you in the valley along I-5. Are you a CRFG member? Different chapters are having scion exchanges in the coming weeks. You would probably be interested. Kern

I think you would get a better response on the fruit forum but here is my 2 cents:

---APPLES---
While you can fruit just about any apple irregardless of how many chill hours is claimed it needs, you must consider that some apples will turn to mush in a hot summer area (some apples need a cool summer to taste their best) ditto for blazing Indian summers (fall). I have not heard anything about Honeycrisp being an option in warmer areas but it could be that no one has experimented with it yet. Fuji, Golden Delicious, White Winter Pearmain, Anna, Dorsett Golden, Newtown Pippin have been tried and proved excellent (I live in a hot inland valley). There are some excellent books on apples, Apples for the 21st Century is one, there is a good eBook on growing apples in Riverside (applenut is on this forum) I think the website is Kuffelcreek.com.

Honeycrisp aug
Winter hardy tree from the University of Minnesota. Fruit is crisp and juicy with an aromatic flavor. Striped red over yellow color. Stores well. Ripens from late September to late October. Patent # 7197

Ashmead's Kernel sept
Widely regarded as one of the all-time best-flavored apples. Small to medium-sized fruit; variable shape, often lop-sided. Greenish to golden brown russet skin with reddish highlights. Creamy yellow flesh is aromatic, crisp and sweet. Fruit picked early is somewhat sharp and acidic, but mellows after a few weeks off the tree. Ripens after Red Delicious, about with Golden Delicious. Keeps 3-4 months. Used for dessert, cider and sauce. Resistant to powdery mildew, somewhat resistant to apple scab. Winter hardy tree, begins bearing at young age. From England, discovered in the early 1700s. Estimated chilling requirement 800-1000 hours. Partly self-fruitful, biggest crops with cross-pollination.

Yellow Newton Pippin oct
Yellow-green, late, firm, crisp, slightly tart, superb flavor. For peak flavor and acid/sugar balance, wait to harvest til cheeks are yellowish-green (late Oct./ early Nov. in Central Calif.). Good keeper. Famous for cooking, excellent fresh or dried. Vigorous tree. 700 hours. Self-fruitful.

---APRICOTS---
What? no Blenheim? It's one of the best! Too fragile for shipping so you HAVE to grow your own. It's held in very high esteem by David Karp (along with Green Gage plums). If you get 600 chill hours I would definitely check out Harcot - while I have neither grown or tasted it I've only read excellent reports. Flavor Delight is delicious, I do grow that one.

Flora Gold EARLY JUNE
All-purpose freestone. Early harvest, 2-3 weeks before Blenheim (Royal). Very good quality, reliable producer (produces when other vareties don't). Good choice for backyard apricot. 500 hours. Self-fruitful. (Zaiger)

Flavor Delight Aprium® interspecific JUN 5
Resembles an apricot but with a distinctive flavor and texture all its own. Pleasant, lingering after taste. Early June. 600 hours. Bigger crops if pollinated by any apricot. Pat.No. 7090 (Zaiger)

Autumn Glo AUG
Late season apricot with tremendous flavor. Ripens in the first two weeks of August. Fruit is medium sized with good color. One of the highest-scoring apricot varieties at Dave Wilson Nursery fruit tastings.

---PLUOTS---
Dapple Dandy is a very, very good pluot, bears well, looks beautiful, tastes better than just about any plum.

Flavor Supreme Pluot® interspecific JUN 15
Taste test winner. Plum-apricot hybrid with sweet, richly flavored, firm red flesh. Greenish-maroon mottled skin. June harvest in Central California, about two weeks before Santa Rosa. 5-600 hours. Pollinated by Santa Rosa, Late Santa Rosa, or other Pluot®. Pat. No. 6763. (Zaiger)

Flavor Grenade Pluot® interspecific SEP 1
Elongated green fruit with a red blush. Crisp texture and explosive flavor.. Taste-test winner. Hangs on the tree for 4 to 6 weeks. Pollenate with a Japanese plum. Estimated chill requirement: 500 to 600 hours. Patent No. 12097. (Zaiger)

---PLUMS---
I grow Weeping Santa Rosa - beautiful small tree (cut off any upright branches) delicious fruit, better than regular Santa Rosa. Laroda is supposed to be good one too. And Elephant Heart. You can always graft some other cultivars onto whatever you plant for variety (like some yellow plums).

Beauty JUN 15
Sweet, flavorful plum, more widely adapted than Santa Rosa (more productive in coastal climates). Red overyellow skin, amber flesh streaked red. Ripens June in Central Calif. 250 hours. Self-fruitful.

Weeping Santa Rosa Semi-Dwarf JUL 1
One of the most flavorful, aromatic Japanese plums when fully ripe. Beautiful 8-10 ft. tree, weeping growth habit - long slender limbs bow gracefully to the ground. Easily espaliered. 400 hours. Self-fruitful.

Laroda AUG 5
Dark purple fruit similar to Santa Rosa, but larger and 5-6 weeks later. Excellent flavor, juicy, one of the best. Prolonged harvest: mid-July to mid-August. 400 hours. Pollenizer required: Santa Rosa, Catalina, or Nubiana.

Emerald Beaut SEP 1
One of the highest-rated plums in blind fruit tastings at Dave Wilson Nursery. Light green skin, greenish-yellow to orange freestone flesh. Harvest begins late August in Central Calif. Ripe fruit continues to sweeten, becoming exceptionally sweet, but remaining crisp and crunchy. Ripe fruit holds on tree longer than any other stone fruit - two months or more! 6-700 hours. Pollenizer required: Beauty, Burgundy, Late Santa Rosa, Nubiana, Flavor King Pluot®. Pat. No. 9162. (Zaiger)

Elephant Heart (NOT taste WINNER) SEP 1
Home-orchard favorite-large, heart-shaped fruit with sweet, juicy, richly flavored, firm red flesh. Dark reddish-purple mottled skin. Long harvest season-September in Central Calif. Hardy, heavy bearing. 500 hours. Pollinate with Beauty or Santa Rosa.

---CHERRIES---
I WISH I could grow Craig's Crimson! Whatever you grown, keep it small and throw bird-netting over it or you'll be lucky to get even one cherry.

Craig's Crimson MAY
Self-fruitful, natural semi-dwarf, perhaps the finest sweet cherry: dark red to nearly black, medium to large size, wonderful spicy flavor, very firm texture. Mature tree size about 2/3 of standard (smaller when budded onto Colt or Mahaleb rootstock). Mid-season. 800 hours. Pat. No. 7320.(Zaiger)

Royal Rainier MAY 15
Large yellow cherry with slightly more red blush than Rainier. Excellent flavor, taste test winner. Ripens early, about 3 to 5 days ahead of Rainier. Estimated chill requirement: 600 - 700 hours.

Van JUN 5
Very cold hardy, reliable, heavy bearing. Fine fruit similar to Bing, though usually smaller. Pollenizer required-interfruitful with all popular sweet cherries. 700 hours.

---FIGS---
I grow Violette de Bordeaux - my favorite, deep red, complex flavor. Janice Seedless doesn't compare it's just sweet, but good. I also grow Panache which is also delicious but I understand it doesn't grow well (taste good) everywhere. It seems to need a long hot season.
Mission is a classic but it's a HUGE tree, I can't imagine planting that with two others in a hole.

Janice Seed-Less Kadota AUG 10
New "white" fig. Large, sweet, delicious, light greenish-yellow fruit with practically no seeds. Prolonged harvest, August through November at Fremont, California. Suited to coastal and inland climates. Prune to any shape. 100 hours. Self-fruitful. Patent Pending.

Celestial AUG 10
Purplish-brown skin, pink flesh. Widely adapted. Two crops per year - early summer and late summer to early fall. Prune to any shape. 100 hours. Self-fruitful.

Black Mission AUG 10
The favorite. Purplish-black skin, strawberry- colored flesh, rich flavor. Heavy bearing, long-lived, large tree. Coast or inland. Fresh/dry/can. 100 hours. Self-fruitful.

---PEACHES & WHITE PEACHES---
So many excellent peaches to choose from...have a look at Bay Laurel Nursery catalog. Baby Crawford would definitely be on my list.

Sugar May JUN 10
White-fleshed, sweetest peach of its season - mid-June, about one month before Babcock. Very juicy and sweet with fine flavor. High fruit-tasting scores. Excellent choice for early season peach. Medium to large size with attractive red skin. Estimated chilling requirement 600 - 700 hours. Self-fruitful. Pat.No. 8034 (Zaiger)

Veteran JUL 10
One of the most reliable peaches for cold climates: winter hardy and late-blooming. Yellow to yellow-orange skin. Yellow flesh is freestone when fully ripe, and richly flavored. Harvest one week before Elberta. 900 hours. Self-fruitful.

Loring JUL 20
Taste test winner. Superb large yellow freestone. Excellent flavor and texture, low acid. Harvests over 2-3 week period, mid to late July in central CA. Requires little or no thinning. Excellent for home orchard. 750 hours. Self-fruitful.

Indian Free AUG 20
Taste test winner: one of the all-time highest-rated fruits at Dave Wilson Nursery fruit tastings. Large, firm freestone with crimson and cream-colored flesh. Tart until fully ripe, then highly aromatic with a rich, distinctive flavor. Highly resistant tto peach leaf curl. Late season. 700 hours. Another nectarine needed to pollinate.

---NECTARINES & WHITE NECTARINES---
I grow Arctic Star and so far I'm not thrilled. The flavor has been watery but could be culture (although I know not to water too much if at all when the fruit is ripening). I'd love to grow Liz's Late. I chose Heavenly White for a family member in Central Calif. and I've heard excellent reports of Independence.

Arctic Star JUN 10
Early-season, super sweet, white fleshed nectarine. Low in acid, no tartness. Rave reviews in trial tastings. Semi-freestone with beautiful dark red skin. Harvest approximately June 10th to 30th at Hickman, Calif. Self-fruitful. Pat. No. 9332. (Zaiger)

Flavortop JUL 15
Firm, yellow freestone with excellent quality. One of the highest scoring nectarines varieties in DWN fruit tastings. One of the very best! Ripens in mid-July in Central California, between Independence and Fantasia.Susceptible to bacterial spot and tender to winter cold. Large showy blossoms. 650 hours. Self-fruitful.

Liz's Late Nectarine AUG 25
Sprightly-sweet, intense, spicy flavor - the State of the Art in fruit breeding. Overall score of 7.5 at the August 25, 1995 Dave Wilson Nursery fruit tasting - one of the highest scores for any yellow nectarine or peach to date. Late August to early September in Central California. 600-700 hours. Self-fruitful. Pat.No. 9437. (Zaiger)

NO TASTE TESTS DATA....but still on my list.....

---PERSIMMON ---
I did alot of research on Persimmons - I grow four in a hole, Chocolate (male blossoms to pollinate the "cinnamon" persimmons), Hiyakume (I chose this over Coffeecake because all reports were mediocre for Coffeecake), Suruga and Maru. I haven't tasted Chocolate yet (only a couple fruit but the squirrels have tasted it) the others are excellent. Don't miss out on Saijo - it's supposed to be like caramel, the name means "the best one." Bay Laurel has it. I'm not a fan of crisp persimmons, I grew up with Hachiya which is a fine cultivar too.

Soft Chocolate
Small to medium size, oblong, bright red skin. Sweet, spicy, firm, brown flesh, superb flavor-the choice of connoisseurs. Astringent until ripe. 200 hours. Self-fruitful.

Firm Fuyu - Jiro ("Apple Persimmon")
Medium size, flat shape, still hard when ripe, non-astringent. Cool or hot climate. Hardy, attractive tree, practically pest free. Fall harvest. 200 hours. Self-fruitful.

Firm Coffeecake (Nishimura Wase)
Anxious Fuyu lovers, who await the fall harvest with great anticipation can now experience an expanded season of delectable persimmon flavors. CoffeeCake persimmon, pollinated by Fuyu Imoto and ripening a month earlier, has a unique spicy-sweet flavor that instantly brings to mind images of cinnamon pastry, hot coffee and morning sunshine.
If you are considering a Fuyu...plant it together with CoffeeCake for the perfect persimmon experience. CoffeeCake's spicy complexity contrasts with the delicate, sweet, flavor of Fuyu. Both varieties are flat-shaped, non-astringent, and eaten while still firm.
Consider this: Romeo and Juliet, Laurel and Hardy, Mark and Sammy, sugar and spice, peaches and cream, CoffeeCake and Fuyu!

Tamopan
Large, flat-shaped fruit with thick, reddish-orange skin and light orange flesh. Flesh is astringent until soft-ripe. Vigorous, heavy-bearing tree. 200 hours. Self-fruitful.

---POMEGRANITE---
I personally wouldn't bother with Wonderful, it's just too ubiquitous. There are so many other "wonderful" pomegranates to try, do a search on GardenWeb, JoeReal has tried them all (or nearly) and has compared them.

Wonderful
Large, purple-red fruit with delicious, tangy flavor. Best quality in hot inland climate. Gaudy red-orange bloom, ornamental foliage. Long-lived, any soil. 150 hours. Self-fruitful.

Eversweet
Very sweet, virtually seedless fruit. (Even immature fruits are sweet.) Red skin, clear (non-staining) juice. Harvest late summer through fall. Coast or inland. 8-10 ft. arching shrub, or train as tree or espalier. Large, showy, orange-red flowers. 150 hours. Self-fruitful. Pat. No. 5418

Kashmir Blend
Medium size pomegranate with light pink-red exterior. Ruby red seeds have intense flavor with no overbearing acidic taste. Plant has a slightly spreading growth habit and can also be grown as a tree. Keep any height with summer pruning. Excellent source of antioxidants- eat fresh or use in cooking. Requires 150-200 chill hours. Self fruitful.

---Paw Paw---
Maybe you'll have better luck but on CRFG garden tours the hosts usually point abjectly in the direction of the pawpaws and just say it's over there. Not much luck getting these to fruit in the Mediterranean climate. I hope this helps. Grafting is fun and easy to learn and do. JoeReal has a tutorial video on that too.

Rebecca's Gold PawPaw
From California. Large, late season fruit. Paw paws are slow-growing, deciduous, pyramidal-shaped trees with large, tropical-looking leaves. Fruit has custard-like texture and delicious, banana-like flavor. Harvest just as skin turns greenish-yellow and fruit begins to soften - in about October.

---lucia in west coco county
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I have spent a lifetime in chasing new varieties, selling new varieties and even breeding new varieties of fruit.

Quite often the commercial imperatives have no value for the home gardener.
Within limits most fruit varieties if picked right by a home gardener are going to give you a very satisfactory result.
If you can leave the fruit on the tree a bit longer and let it develop properly, most varieties are pretty good.
Home gardeners dont have to worry about how the fruit is going to look in a weeks time after it has done a trek across the country at 1degC then sat on a shelf for a few more days.
You dont even have to worry if you get 4, Vs 5 Kg per tree.
This is why growing your own fruit is so fantastic.
I will guarantee that if you plant that many varieties, there will be a couple that you are not happy with tho.
Just be prepared to do continual alterations to your home garden, (I find that bit fun)
When I was a commercial grower my varieties would be lucky to last 10 years before I had to go chasing the next new thing.
I only recognise a couple of the varieties you have mentioned.
I know I would plant Diamond Princess in place of Loaring peach , but you may find that you have trouble obtaining that for a back yard. It may be a patented variety (not sure)

I don't recommend you rely on any fruit writeup. The one and only way to select fruit is to try them yourself. Find people who grow fruit near you, and taste what they have. I speak from experience, and I am now grafting over a number of crappy fruit. For example I planted a bunch of pluots and there is only one that I really like, the yellow flavor queen. The rest aren't worthy to me, but others swear by them.

I will comment on the apples, though. The Central valley isn't exactly apple heaven because of the heat, so you want to select apples from subtropical regions like Australia. Pink lady, Granny Smith, Lady Williams and Sundowner are the best choices for the hot Central Valley. Honeycrisp is not recommended.

On the other hand, I doubt you could plant a bad stone fruit in the Central Valley, though. Even the worst stone fruits turn out heavenly out there.

Central Valley? I wouldn't consider Contra Costa county to be Central Valley, and Lucia says she's in the Western part, which could even mean the Bay Area. I think Honeycrisp would do fine there. But, as you say, you gotta try it to know!

Carla in Sac

Hi again,

Yes...I am in Contra Costa County which is the Northern part of the Bay Area/East Bay.

I placed my order as listed last November and am looking forward to getting all these bareroots any day now. :>

If anyone wants to know how they turn out, feel free to email me later on.

I need to learn about scions and grafting! Sounds like fun and sounds wayyyyyyy cheaper than what I just did! I am a member of the Ca fruit grower's assoc. but haven't gone to any meetings yet....is that where I should start?

thanks everyone!
----lucia

Lucia, the CRFG January meetings usually consist of scion exchanges so find out soon when your local chapter's meeting is and bring clippings from your trees (when you get them) with you. Also bring ziplock baggies, masking tape and a Sharpie to label scions you pick out, and damp paper towels to wrap them in. There will undoubtedly be grafting demonstrations - watch and learn and then jump in and start grafting (I used rubber bands and green plastic plant tie tape the first time). It works if you BELIEVE in magic (and match up the cambium layer in the bark!).

Sorry, I'm not in your area so Coco County didn't ring a bell with me. Axel is correct about write-ups, sometimes its all in what fruit is at it's best at the time of the fruit-tasting and then sometimes different generations like different fruit textures (e.g. younger - crunchy, older - melting, juicy). It's about what YOU like and what will grow to it's potential in your climate/area. Many of us chase the fruit memories of our childhoods....

Lucia:

I started doing what you have done about three years ago--planiing out my non-stop harvest of yumminess. I've printed out the Dave Wilson harvest sheets they have online, and mapped my harvest dates. I'm a geek about it, but I say there's a lot worse obsessions out there!
I would like to give you the advice that when you do get your trees, make sure you spray for peach leaf curl after you get them--I almost lost a tree last year because I got it late (Mayish) and all the others had long ago leafed out, so I didn't bother spraying it with MicroCop (my quasi-organic choice for anti-curl). The new tree got spots all over it (probably came with it in the mail) and it almost died. Although I think it was bacterial spot and not peach-leaf curl, I still would have been better off spraying it rather than not spraying it. I won't make that mistake again!

Carla in Sac