Is Brooklyn a convenient location for you? (Sorry, my American geography is not so great..). If it is, the Cranford Rose Garden at the Brooklyn Botanic Gardens might be what you're looking for. They have a wonderful collection which seems to include a high proportion of Antiques and Species/near Species. Sadly, I only know this Garden through photos and descriptions. A lady from there posts here sometimes - is it monarda?? There were some terrific pics on a thread titled 'Spring walk around (very long)' posted by labrea last june, that should whet your appetite! (Type in the title in the 'Search in GardenWeb' box.) Comtesse :¬)

I am not sure that Donny is still in Raleigh. I saw a few posts by her several months ago in which she indicated that she was moving. You are not going to find anything worthwhile seeing on Myrtle Beach but to see Charleston is always a joy (not in August though). At Ann's advice we visited Hampton Park in Charleston several years ago. I do not know much about the parkÂs present status but that is an OGR garden with Noisettes, teas, Chinas and Hybrid Musks. We were there in October  it was sunny and warm but not unpleasantly hot. It is a Âno-spray public garden so one can see by fall which roses fared well and which roses should have gotten more attention. The roses were not marked and our map was out of date - still I learned a lot there. Roses Unlimited (they are close to Ashdown) in SC has a huge display garden around the nursery; both antiques and moderns are planted there. We were there in torrential rain so didnÂt enjoy much of the display offered. I wish you better luck as we had.

Bump up this thread to admire Mas_loves_roses with a vigorous Sharifa Asma. I don't know if hers is grafted or own-root. My Sharifa as own-root is so wimpy !! Also appreciate Seaweed posting so many blooms in her alkaline clay garden in Southern California. Re-post Seaweed's tip for bare-root roses (grafted on Dr. Huey): "When I received the bare root from Regan, first prep the hole with Gypsum. Then filled tap water & let it settled. Next filled with Gardner & Bloome brand organic plating mix, right below the root, added one tablespoonful of David Austin's Mycorrhizal fungi. Last: put in bare root, added pumice, earthworm castings, and diluted mix of superthrive, Eleanor's VF-11, plus more water."

"Shake and Bake" refers to the nickname given to the state of California, which it is not only named for, but it is the state flower for :) California is often referred to as "Shake and Bake, USA WELL DUH!...lol, FANNA WHO IS Hysterical laughing at herself for FORGETTING THIS FACT about Callie! See I am afraid to TRY any Poppy for breadseed because what if someone sends one they THINK is safe and it isn't? JASMINE, I ACCIDENTLY TYPED THE WRONG NUMBER! All is WELL it WAS Margos I was working on and since I believe I meanted the gift she gave me it was clear it was just a slip of the finger or brainwave or something along those lines..... Lisa I stayed up last night til 5:00 am or would that be stayed up this morning til? Oh well, which ever that is what I did. It is just a matter of me bring ODC and can't stop until I feel HAPPY with the results....lol!!! WOW you all are sending in some REALLY REALLY good stuff!!! Wendy, thanks for my GIFT...I will be on a CHOCOLATE high tonight, haha! That was so sweet of you to think of me, thanks again. I am actaully taking a breather at this minute to eat supper then I will get back to the seeds. :) Fran I will go ahead and post #11 thread!