Please suggest climbers or ramblers?

disneynut1977 ~ Melissa

15 years ago

I want to put in 3 roses along my fence next summer. I already have 4 clematis spaced 16' apart (at every other main post). I wanted to put 1 rose in between the clematis at the other 3 post's. My clematis colors are medium-deep red and medium-deep purple. So I want to stay away from those colors for the roses. I want to have colors that pop too. Raspberry, yellow, orange, apricot, ect. Strong fragrance is a must, continous blooms, very hardy (weather and disease, I don't spray). Doesn't have to have alot of petals. I don't mind simple 5 petaled roses as long as they have the other attributes I want. I don't need blooms for cutting, I prefer to look at them in the garden. I rarely cut for blooms, unless I'm bringing a bouquet to somebody.

I have never had anything other than bush roses, so I don't know if what I need is a climber or rambler. My fence is 4' posts, concave's to 3 1/2' in the middle of each panel. Panel's are 8' wide. I want a rose that I can train to spread 4'-5' across and climb up and just slightly ramble over the top of the fence. I don't want to have to worry about canes hanging way over the fence and swaying in the breeze, unless it's ok to tie them back to fence some how without splitting or cracking canes. I don't get along with my bordering neighber at all and we only had our fence put 1' in from our property line. I don't want to go outside 1 morning to find she hacked my canes because they were hanging over onto her yard. I wouldn't put it past her either.

I could also do climbing minature roses if I could find scented ones. I don't mind small buds.

Also if somebody could suggest where to buy them own root online. Places accepting Paypal are a bonus.

Melissa

Also, I am in zone 5. I do pile up leaves around and over my other roses now, but unsure of what special care climbers need.

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mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
15 years ago
Climber are both easier and harder than bush roses. They need to be cane hardy, so winter protection isn't an issue. But you have to select cane hardy roses. It's a variation on Henry Ford's line 'you can have any color you want, so long as it's black'. Basically you aren't going to get your color choices, and you aren't going to get strong fragrance and repeat.
disneynut1977 ~ Melissa
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15 years ago
'you can have any color you want, so long as it's black'

Yeah, I thought I was asking for too much. Should I just ditch the climber idea and do tall shrub's in front of the 3 fence post's? Strong frangrance and of course being for my zone are biggies with me. I did just come across Ashdown roses. How are they? They have a layaway which is really cool and they take Paypal.

Melissa
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phylrae
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Hi Melissa,
Remember me? You came out to my house and got a few rose bushes from me a year ago....hope they did well. :0)

Anyway, all I can think of is that maybe you could visit the EM Mills garden near Syracuse U....and see what works well for them. I remember seeing several climbers there, though I am not sure how tall they get. On their website they list what they grow. The only "climbers" I have in our garden are Polka, Red Eden and Don Juan. Polka hasn't gotten much taller than about 6-7 feet (2 years so far), and the others are just getting going.

Hope you find some help! :0) Phyl
len511
15 years ago
Ramblers won't be as trainable as climbers, nor repeating and usually not so much fragrant. Climbers probably wouldn't be as floriferous either.
I would suggest 3 old shrub roses like albas, autumn damask, etc. for fragrance and maybe 3 polyanthas for continuous bloom. Those should be hardy and work very well in your area.
alameda/zone 8/East Texas
15 years ago
I dont know if it would work in your zone but Crepuscule is gorgeous, blooms for me all the time, folliage is lovely. But it does not have fragrance. I am thinking you will have a problem with this if you insist on fragrance - dont know any climbers that have much scent. Blush Noisette has scent. If scent is first priority, maybe do search for roses with the most scent and plant them along the fence. I have a long fence with posts every 8' and I have planted climbers at every post with shrub roses in between and they are doing great. Roberta Bondar, a yellow, is really taking off. I also have Clair Matin, Mme. Alfred Carriere, Brite Eyes, Crepuscule, Orange Triumph, Blush Noisette, Darlow's Enigma [this has scent, tho blooms are small], Compassion, New Dawn. I have also used [and you could too - they are bred for your climate] lots of Buck roses. Dorcas is a beautiful bloomer! I have a couple of Austins - Lady of Megginch was new last year and bloomed constantly - huge deep pink blooms. Also like Cadenza, a red, Scepter d'Isle, Jeri Jennings, Outta The Blue. I plan to plant some clematis in with them in the spring. Since scent is important, you could pick some with outstanding scent, like Mr. Lincoln, etc. and intersperse these with your climbers. Good luck, you will have fun with this. Make sure the neighbor knows where the boundry is and that your fence is 1' back from it. If putting up a taller, solid fence is an option, you will solve the problem. I did this with neighbors who built a huge car shop - it destroyed my view and privacy so just built an 8'3" fence and problem is solved. Good fences make good neighbors!
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predfern
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Louis Odier is a hardy Bourbon that can get 8 feet tall. It is fragrant and has some repeat. If you have rabbits, you should protect the roses with hardware cloth or chicken wire or the rabbits will bite them to the ground.
disneynut1977 ~ Melissa
Original Author
15 years ago
Thank you so much for all the responses. I'll have to think about if for alittle while longer. The climbers at the post's and scented bush's in between sound good though, I kinda like that idea.

Melissa
catsrose
15 years ago
For hardy, fragrant large shrubs, take a look at Rugosas. Also, there are many fragrant, cold hardy ramblers. Take a look at VG (www.vintagegardens.com). Read their descriptions of both ramblers and climbers in general, as well as the individual roses, and then look at their cold hardy list. Then come back on here with your choices and ask for feedback from people in your area. Crepuscle will not work in your zone, but there are lots!!! of other choices.
hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
15 years ago
Have a look at celestialroses thread--she's in zone 4, at least as cold as your area. The thread has some great pictures and comments on health.

Here is a link that might be useful: thread on hardy healthy roses

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