I'd love to find a Souvenier du Ami. No one seems to sell it anywhere. I love the name, but really don't know much about it except that it is an old cemetery rose in the northeast.

Have fun dreaming...

Here is a link that might be useful: Creative Soul

HappyinTexas, Souvenir d'u Ami is a tea rose which is sold at Vintage. If you go on their site and look under the Tea category you'll find it. It should do very well in Texas since the teas love the heat.

Ingrid

Think of all the diabolical enabling you could do if you had one of those early hybrid teas that needs saving. "Condesa de Sastago" in your hands and lens would be positively dangerous. Be sure to let us all know what you choose.

I've been reading about the Orleans polyanthas, no thanks to Anntn :), and am wanting Marytje Cazant. pitter pat, pitter pat, pitter pat.

Have fun deciding, Luanne. What nice friends you have!

Here is a link that might be useful: Marytje Cazant from Vintage

Luanne, if you want a cutting of Condesa, I would be glad to oblige.

Carla

Breeze Hill, a once blooming climber. Had it once and lost it at 30 below zero. Now that winters are warmer would like to try again - a big, fragrant double apricot.

the hybrid tea Los Angeles which they say is next to impossible to root

Hmmm....
Figured that you already had most Teas, so scrolled thru the hybrid tea custom roots and imagined what I might get if the gift certificate was mine.

One that I liked was Duquesa de Peñaranda.

Or given the season, may want to consider Poinsettia.

Both are described as being very fragrant.

As vics gardenkeeper said, I'm sure that whatever you choose, we will all be tempted to buy it once you post your photos.

Enjoy your gift.

Janelle

Luanne,
You are so lucky to have friends like that!
I can't believe it, but I just spent an hour over at Vintage's web site looking for special root roses! I've got a paper due tomorrow!
I have to keep telling myself - I do not need any more roses! I've already ordered from them twice since we got back from California and now they have added 3 of my "must haves" to their available list. I just can't stand missing this opportunity to get them, even though I really don't have the room and if I was going to order plants it needs to be something other than roses.
I've wanted 'Hero' ever since I saw it in Pam's garden. And I saw Edith Shurr somewhere and I've wanted it ever since. And Francine Austin. Vintage has them as special root. But HMF says that they are all offered by other nurseries so I wouldn't use them for a special rooting!
Have fun picking it out!
Carrie

This forum is so dangerous. Now I crave a Duquesa de Peñaranda.

Colleen

I'm dying to know what you end up choosing!

R

Probably Hector Deane I think the only other nursery that carries it is Peter Beales. Fruity Fragrance very lose double form HT have been tracking it 4 to 5 years AT BBG stays fairly compact here. Cooler temps can bring out very intense shadings almost orchid pink overlaying a flatter coral pink with a touch of yellow. I was about to ask them to custom route Marie de St Jean but they have it in tock again...now thats a killer to find!

Here is a link that might be useful: Hector Deane

la,
What an outrageously blatant way to get everyone to have one more look through Vintage's catalogue :)

Apart from all the copies that friends have sent or brought over to me in recent years, Gregg brought me a new one when we met up on Friday, just in case there was anything I had missed :) A long chat in the new glasshouse at Wisley is likely to have produced some interesting transatlantic exchanges over the next few years.

What a resource you people have in Vintage Gardens. I urge all of you to spend all you can afford and then some more, and get some of these rarities established in your gardens around the country. Apart from the beauty and joy you will receive, this is the only way that many of these cultivars will survive.

Michael brought me socks. Tie-dyed. He knows my soul. Pamela brought me her self, her smile, the warmest hug on a November day in England.

Love to you all
Jon

Jon...I think I'm doing my part about getting some of these rarities into my garden. Robert

Souv. de Mme Sableyrolles. I've been trying to get my hands on that Tea for the longest. I almost had it once but it died before they could ship it. I don't know if it's hard to root or what but it is rarely on the availability list. Nice gift, LA!

Carolina

Good heavens, I just read this whole thread and realized that Jon has new tie dyed socks! LOL. I expect you will look quite dashing in them :-)

Carol

Christine Wright. Beautiful pink climber . . . sister rose to Climbing American Beauty . . . praised endlessly in some of my old rose books . . . can you tell I lust after this rose?

Blessings,
Connie

Dubonnet. It is a rare polyantha from 1958 and possibly lost forever. I even wrote the rose society in Indiana near the original breeder, but with no response. JimD

Climbing Chateau Clos de Vougeot.

Oh my goodness, you children have been busy while I was out showing the visiting Andrea Rose the town and making up a list. I have it down to Mary Webb the magnificent creamy Austin rose with the peach colored buds and Mari Dot but I think Mari Dot as I'll never get it any other way whereas Condesa Di Sastago did not love my garden although I would be happy to try a cutting Carla.
Happy, it looks like Ingrid has solved that problem.
Thank you Ingrid.
Kate you make me laugh, you and your generous Joe sent me that little certificate for no other reason than an overflow of the milk of human kindness. Thank you a million times, I'd never have gotten one otherwise. But come to think of it the Mrs. Charles Bell that Vintage gave me did turn out to sell well. Bless your hearts, this is so much fun.
Carla yes and thank you, I'd love to try again.
Old roser, that sounds like an unlabeled rose I got off of the sale table at Garden Valley Ranch.
Rinaldoo--thank you
Jannorcal--Bluesibe grows that one, we were weeding at the very first Friends of Vintage Party(only two of us showed up) and that scent was delicious.
CW--Pamela's garden has that effect, talk about a hot bed of desire...
Colleen, Bluesibe will have to speak on the Duquesa when she returns from Costa Rica--so many different micro climates around SF.
Rosefolly--if Carolina doesn't talk me into getting what she wants,I'll get Mari Dot although I'll still want Mary Webb who was so beautiful in Pam's garden. But Mary is more likely to show up on the available list one of these days.
Jon--I had Joe and Kate's backing so I cannot be "praised" for something I had so much "help" with. As you know she is as tricky as tie-dye.
Here are the four I purchased while cha-chaing around the Vintage site...
American Home-1960, Morey, strong stems, rich fragrance, long lasting flowers and healthy, in short a stinko red for cutting.
Evona'sYellow-unknown bound, large soft voluptuous, fragrant yellow.
Isabel d'Ortiz--1962-Kordes,--very large oval shape blooms, rich rose red, reverse white with a delicious fragrance
Johnny Walker--1982-Fryers, subtly colored apricot-orange to buff, rich fruity fragrance,blooms in clusters.
Lucetta and Chianti are alternatives.
Yes Robert that is correct.
Carolina when your birthday comes in March, we will discuss this again.
Joe, it is lovely, but blowsey pink roses are in high count out their with Grandma's Hat and J. Provost so I will stiffen my noodly spine here.
Connie, it would be lovely to gratify all your rose wishes inlcuding yours Jim.
Thank you all, I am as up a creek as usual, Gomtesse de Noghera???Mme. Berard...this is the very devil of a catalog, as our Jon urges us smoothely on toward insolvency and wafting perfume.
love you,
la

Luanne, I can also provide Mdme. Berard cuttings if you'd like. The colors of Condesa woo me so. I'm anxious to see what you choose, no doubt it will be beautiful and all of us will want it too.

Carla

La,
I could probably send you a rooted cutting of Mme Berard. That is my favorite rose of them all. The complex colors, the rich tea scent, it's just the best. I took some cuttings to plant in an umbrella trellis, and I think 1 or 2 of the cuttings took.
Just let me know. It's the least I could do for the wonderful trip that we took.
Carrie

Souv. de Mme Sableyrolles--I second Carolina's suggestion. This is a rose I keep looking for on their website. Also, Souvenir d'Alphonse Lavallee. This rose has enchanted me ever since a posting by Cupshaped. Have lots of fun deciding!!

Luanne Rogue Valley carries Mary Webb so you would'nt need a custom root!

Yikes! I've been outed as a long-distance enabler. Luanne, you've whipped this crowd up like a latte--just as I knew you would. Jon, Joe and I are looking forward to seeing you and your socks in late May or early June. We know better than to try and top that present!

I hope to see you at the Heritage Rose conference but have no plans at present for England(just the niggling awareness of enough future flier miles to fly round trip to London,teasing the back of my brain.Good job, Kate, ahem so I whipped up this crowd but then one has to ask "Who whipped up me?" I seek a far more devious scammer than I'll ever be. Perhaps I must pass on the enabling crown that Andrea Rose so kindly made for me. I marvel at your "long distance adeptness, woman and still must thank you with all my heart for the gift. Amazing...
John Murphy has informed me in his own generous way that I am not to consider Mary Webb because he has such an orphan lying about looking for a good CA home. Thanks Joe.and John.
CW will say yes to the rooted cutting with great delight. Thank you so much, although it was a thorough pleasure having you and your Mama.
James, I already have Chateau de Clos Vougeot and it is a lovely thing but I don't think I need the climber as well.
Thank you.
Carolina maybe you and Joanne could strike a deal with Vintage for two plants from SDMS or one get it and start cuttings for the other...or buy the SDMS with first dibs on the additional plants they usually propagate. I am only imagining, I have no evidence that they would actually negotiate with you but it would be fun to see what a little "sugar talking would do." Joanne, let Carolina do the talking, she is startling in her abilities. I have been struck dumb watching her at work."Now is there any way I could sugar talk you into a special rooting say with a normal charge for the second plant? hmmmmm?"
la

...or you could order it and there would be left overs :-). Just kidding. Marie Dot is a gorgeous thing.

Carolina

Have you seen her? I am just getting Angel Guimara to fluorish after her third or 4th year, Hitona looks to come into his own this year and Mme. Gregoire Staechlin is a climber so she's lanquid. Love those dot roses though the Harkness do better in this climate.
la

Actually, I had Mari Dot and the blooms are gorgeous. I gave her to Ashdown so they would have a Mother plant. :-). Hopefully when she grows a little, they will be able to put her in commerce and we'll have another place to obtain her, in addition to Vintage.

Na

La,
I've sent you an email. Let me know if you don't get it.
Carrie

La,

I like your plan, LOL! My garden is getting full enough now that I would rather wait until I can get the rose I want rather than take a substitute. I am holding out for SdMS and SdAL. Maybe they will offer those as part of their regular cuttings program one of these days. If not, I may just have to cut a deal with Carolina.

Joanne

For all of you interested in 'Souvenir de Mme Sableyrolles', I just looked it up in Vintage's printed rose book and it states only "missing from our collection." :-(

Luanne I hear you regarding Carolina's "sugar talking". She nearly talked my husband into buying the house across the street from her!

Reading this thread has made me suddenly very conscious that I'm truly remedial in antique roses. Now I know how DH and our friend Julie feel when her husband Dave and I start talking computer programs. Jack and Jule roll their eyes and talk about the weather. If anyone's looking for me I'll be at helpmefind trying to learn about all these roses! lol

I would really like to have the J&P HT rose Spice Twice available again. I had one a long time ago, and I tried to have it here, but my plant of it died before it could get started. It never grew. I like the orange and white bicolor combination of this rose. I would also like to get the Interplant floribunda Darthuizer Orange Fire that I had years ago and the Kordes shrub rose Lydia that I also had. You might surmise that I like the oranges.

The pressure was too enormous. I caved. Well actually, Carol has exquisite taste in roses and I know that if I didn't want what she had before I saw it, I sure would after. You should see our gardens--mine is called Carolina Meyer West... I have ordered Souv. de Mme. Sablayrolles!
TADA. And thank you Kate and Joe for setting this Merry go Round in motion.You two are exceedingly dear to my heart.
love,
la

In looking through Vintage's polyanthas, I came across a rose identified as Golden Salmon. This is curious since the color in the photo looks orange and the color is listed as orange. It in fact looks very much like a found poly that I got in Rockville, MD that I have given a study name as 'Gloire du Midi' that fits the descriptions pretty well. Just goes to show that all may not be what it seems. I can attest to this as much as anyone, but it is fun to find and grow foundlings and pursue the ID over time. Now, I wonder what my Mrs. Keays 'Snowbush' giant rambler is? It is clearly not a brunonii as she speculated, but what?? Best, Nick

Why, thank you dear. I hope you like her or I'm in big trouble :-).

Carolina

I know you already ordered. However, since you asked, I would have ordered 'L'Heritieranea' - the lavender-colored boursault.

Still waiting to catch 'clearly one of the greatest roses' - Mr. James Veitch. We are all just Gregg's minions, really.

The roses you plucked for me are nicely dried on my dashboard and still fragrant.

PS - I found out how to get out of SF - turn right at Cafe Trieste!

A

I would pick Louis XIV, a China that Vintage has as a Hybrid Perpetual. But Greenmantle and Roses Unlimited have this rose according to their sites.
Sherry

Here is a link that might be useful: Custom Root Louis XIV

Nick,
We need to compare your foundling with Belmont Orange-tentatively called Golden Salmon Superior. Have you comparedd yours with the pix in Roses of the World in Color? And does yours sport madly?

And would anyone be interested in Ruskin, an all but forgotten in NAmerica van Fleet rose that is still readily available in Europe?

I'm not going to let this thread end with me as a heroine bestowing roses at random when, in fact, it was Her Royal Highness LA who graciously bestowed fancy chocolates on my husband out of the blue and started this feeding frenzy! She who must be obeyed is a delightful danger to us all......

Ah chocolates again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now you will note the similarity in the names of the last two entries, Joe Labrea, and Kate's husband Joe. I was trying to call Joe L. because I wanted to send him some of the chocolate he shared with me after taking Carolina and I all over New York City. There was a number in my notebook that simply said Joe's Cell. I called it and gradually figured out that I was talking to Joe Musso and we had a few laughs and then I told him the chocolate was for Labrea and he said "so no Chocolate?" and I said no rather sternly and then felt bad because he'd been so charming and Leonidis was having their anniversary sale and Heck I was on a roll so I sent him a box. Never heard from him and suddenly "outta the blue" a GC from Vintage arrives in my mailbox. And that is the storey of how I atoned for my boorish behavior, Joe got chocolate and Kate is the Lady Bountiful casting roses on our delighted heads. I conced to being a danger but I go arm in arm with our Kate.
Joe I would put that fudge in the fridge, when it arrives,to let it firm up as I don't know what the PO has put it through.It was mailed Monday.
love,
la

Ah the benefits of "paying it forward" and ahh the delights of being in SWMBO's notebook lol.

Chanelle...supposedly blackspot free. Rare for a rose of a cream/yellow color...can't find it anywhere else.