I need advice about Golden Celebration

15 years ago

Due to the fact that I went and got myself pregnant with triplets, I haven't been able to tend to my roses like normal. As a result, all of them are covered with blackspot since I couldn't spray. I'm not worried about most of them since I will just trim them way back in early spring, but what about my golden celebration? It got to about 8 feet this year and has grown so much. I thought that climbers weren't supposed to be heavily pruned so what do I do to get rid of the BS? There literally isn't a single leaf on it that isn't affected. It is probably the worst one in my rose garden.

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pauline-vi-8

15 years ago

Dear Aggie, yes, it is a David Austin shrub, not a "so called" climber, but guess what? It can be a climber. I have three of them, two shrubs and one I have trained against a fence to climb. Golden celebration has been the best STAR in my garden thise year as a climber and a shrub. It has been wonderful!
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jerijen
15 years ago
We have grown Golden Celebration for probably 13-14 years.
We have a hedge of 6-8 plants in a row.

It is not a climber, even here in Southern California.
It grows straight up, and then arches out slightly. A really lovely shrub form, tho large.

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I have seen un-tended plants in a deserted garden (long story) that were easily 12 ft tall, more or less straight up, certainly self-supporting, and studed with bloom from top to bottom.

I can't help with your blackspot, but I would say treat it as you would any other large Shrub Rose.

Jeri
aggierose
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15 years ago
Jeri, interesting info. This was just my second year to have my GC, but it looks like a climber to me. The first year it had long, long canes that laid on the ground. They bloomed like crazy, but didn't stand straight up. This year I bought a trellis and attached all the canes to it and it has done wonderfully. It keeps shooting up long canes that have to be tied up to be supported. It doesn't grow like a shrub for me at all. When I bought it I was told it could be grown as a shrub or a climber. Do you think my best bet is to just chop it down to 2 feet or so in early spring? Then it would be manageable to pick off all the leaves and spray it.
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jerijen
15 years ago
Aggie, I doubt if it wants to be 2 ft. tall.
I suspect that if you chop it down, it will grow back tall again.

If it blackspots that badly in your conditions, perhaps it is not the best choice for your garden.

Blackspot is not a problem here, but rust and mildew are.
If a rose mildews or rusts that badly, we eliminate it. You might look for something less troubled by disease, and have a LOT less trouble.

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pauline-vi-8
15 years ago
PS Jerijen, Nice to see you and your hedge of GC is lovely. May I please ask you about your hardiness zone. Am I misinterpretating something here, it looks like Z24, yet I only thought it went up to about Zone 11 or 12. Please, If you do not mind, elaborating.

Apart from that, while you are here, I want to thank you for your excellent informative posts.
Thanks,
Pauline

PS, again! Sorry Aggie, If I highjacked your topic!!
pauline-vi-8
15 years ago
Oopsz! cross posting!:)
Pauline
jerijen
15 years ago
hardiness zone. Am I misinterpretating something here, it looks like Z24, yet I only thought it went up to about Zone 11 or 12. Please, If you do not mind, elaborating.

*** That's a Sunset Zone 24. Those ratings break down a lot further than the USDA Zones.
We are under almost 100% ocean influence here.
Sunset rates us Z 24, tho on the cusp of Z23.
You can grow bannanas here. You cannot effectively grow N. European roses which require a period of dormancy to thrive.

Jeri
pauline-vi-8
15 years ago
Thank you Jeri. Very interesting. I also looked it up on the net so I have an even better idea now and found out that my Sunset Climate Zone is 4 and Toronto 39. So the numbers are all over the map it seems. I have learned something new, thanks.
Pauline
jerijen
15 years ago
Kewl! :-)

Jeri
hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
15 years ago
I think you are going to be busy with triplets for about the next...oh, eighteen years? I would find something less blackspot prone and give GC away. You can always get another when the triplets are older. Congrats, by the way!
aggierose
Original Author
15 years ago
I realize I may lose this battle, but I am determined to keep up my roses even after the babies come! I only have about 15 or so roses and I can't get anymore because I don't have anymore sun in my yard, (my husband won't let me cut down any trees!) It has killed me to not be able to take care of them these past several months, but I was so sick I couldn't get out of bed and I wasn't about to let myself be around chemicals while pregnant. My mom spent last weekend with me and she wanted to know what happened to my roses? I almost cried! So, long story short, I am determined to find a couple of hours each week after the babies come to take care of my roses. They should be here in Feb or March, just in time for rose season to start for me! Only time will tell what I will be able to handle! Does anyone else have any advice on the GC and BS?
jerijen
15 years ago
Aggie, NO ONE says you should get rid of your roses.
But it just makes sense to grow the most disease-free cultivars possible.
You sure don't want to spray around the babies!

There ARE roses that are disease-resistant.
I'm not sure where you are located, but I bet there are people in your area,
who would have suggestions.

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aggierose
Original Author
15 years ago
Ok, so does anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do to get rid of the BS on my golden celebration? I am not getting rid of it, or any other high maintnance rose that I have. I don't mind spraying every 10 days and I plan to continue to do so. I am just trying to find out if anyone knows the best way for me to handle the BS now that it is out of control. I guess I will plan on pruning it way back in the spring and see what happens. If anyone has a better suggestion, other than to replace it, please let me know.
pauline-vi-8
15 years ago
Aggie, where are you in the US? I guess I mean what Zone are you, but interested to know the area too.

I take it your Golden Celebration is next to a fence or whatever, in my opinion that always creates more black spot. All my climbers are the worst offenders. Having said that, I used to swear by Funginex in our area, but unfortunately it has been taken off the market in Canada. I believe it is still available in the USA. But because these systemics have been taken off our market, I also am looking for a good fungicide that will take it's place.(my last drop was used this last season) Incidentally, my other two Golden Celebrations that were more out in the open had very little blackspot.
........also a big CONGRATS on your triplets, how exciting! Do you have any other children?
Pauline
aggierose
Original Author
15 years ago
Paukine, thank you for your answer. I am in Dallas, Tx and yes, all of my roses are against a 6 ft. wooden fence. I know this isn't the best place for them but it is the only place in my yard that even comes close to getting enough sun for them. When I'm able to spray all of them on a regular basis they do ok. Do you know if there is a spray that I can spray now that is meant to kill the spores over the winter? I don't know if that made any sense or not.

...and no, we don't have any other children. These will be our first and our last!
hoovb zone 9 sunset 23
15 years ago
Go to rosemania and look at their spray method document for methods of effective control. though even if you kill all the existing spores for the winter, they will come back in next spring on the wind. Click on "downloads" and then "Rosemania recommended spray programs" if the link doesn't work

Here is a link that might be useful: rosemania spray program
carla17
15 years ago
Well, congratulations Aggie. Three babies, my look of bewilderment.
Some shrub roses look nice just left to do their thing. GC will have lovely sweeping canes filled with blooms if you decide not to train it up or cut it, God Forbid.

Carla
Molineux
15 years ago
Mancozeb is a fungicide that specifically targets black spot. You can buy it at Rosemania. Strip all the leaves off the bush (which shouldn't be hard since it is nearly defoliated anyway), remove any dropped/dried up leaves at the base of the plant, water it thoroughly, then spray the canes on a two day cycle for three applications. After that ordeal you can switch to a 7 day spray schedule. Sorry to say but GOLDEN CELEBRATION is a well known black spot disaster in the South Eastern and Mid-Atlantic United States. If you want clean foliage then you are going to have to commit to spraying it weekly. NO exceptions. Given your condition I would seriously consider replacing it with DUCHESSE D'AUERSTADT; a very beautiful soft golden yellow Noisette that would be much better suited to your climate.

As for your husband - woman use your wiles! Nag, beg and plead if necessary. A good time is right after the delivery. Trust me, he is gonna feel guilty for putting you through allllll that agony while he sits back pain free. Even if the delivery is a cake walk DO NOT let him know it. Act like it practically killed you then when he asks:

"Honey is there anything I can do to make you feel better."

"For letting your child literally rip its way outta me? Yes, you can cut down that big tree in the front yard and buy me some roses."

STAY AFTER HIM. If he asks what you want for Christmas, answer with "cut me down a tree and buy some roses". Haven't you ever heard of the phrase: "When momma makes up her mind and other Southern dangers"?

Make up your mind.

Here is a link that might be useful: Duchesse d'Auerstadt at HelpMeFind Roses
jerijen
15 years ago
I would seriously consider replacing it with DUCHESSE D'AUERSTADT"

*** That's the sort of suggestion I was looking for, for you.
And coming from someone who knows your conditions.

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She's a beauty. And with staying power.
I love 'Golden Celebration,' but if I lived in TX, I'd grow the Duchesse,
instead.

Jeri
aggierose
Original Author
15 years ago
Unfortunately, I don't think DUCHESSE D'AUERSTADT will work for me. I only plant roses that are intensly fragrant. That's the only reason I grow roses. HMF describes this one as moderately fragrant. The roses that I have smelled that are described as "moderately fragrant" typically aren't nearly smelly enough for me.
alameda/zone 8/East Texas
15 years ago
Aggierose......I live in east Texas, grow GC and I do spray it. It tends to blackspot here but its so lovely I dont care, and I spray anyway so its no problem. I like Molineaux's suggestion about using a guilt trip on your husband to get a tree cut down......here's another. Since YOU cant spray, I know someone who can. How hard is it for 15 roses to mix the spray in a hand held sprayer and spray these few roses? Dont give him an out - tell him you need his help on this. Thats little enough to do for you! Just keep GC and add the Duchesse and put her where a tree used to be. I could barely handle one child.....cant imagine 3! But you will be glad later.....now wish I'd had more than one. Keep all the roses.......you will need them to hang onto your sanity. Good luck!
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