Geant des Batailles?

11 years ago

I rooted this rose from an old bush in front of a house up the street. The lady who lives there said that it was there when she moved in 45 years ago. It was growing in mostly shade, and I had only seen it blooming in the Spring, but she did say she remembered it blooming in the Fall once in a while. Well, mine is now 3 years old, and in partial shade, and is blooming NOW - yay! Jeri said she thought it might be an old Hybrid Perpetual found all over CA which has numerous study names. They think that one might be 'Geant des Batailles", but mine looks to be a lighter color than GdB.

Any thoughts?

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jerijen
11 years ago
Jackie -- That multi-study-named rose is quite changeable in color, from the lite pink I see here, to a really deep, rich, almost fuchsia-like pink. Seems to change with the weather.

But I'd say that its leaves are ROUNDER than those I can see in your image. Yours look to be elliptical, while the all-over mystery rose has foliage that's closer to ovate. Or so I have seen it.

Of course, I haven't grown it for a few years . . . It HATED it here!

Jeri
fogrose
11 years ago
Hi Jackie, I purchased a rose named Unknown HP at the Sac Cemetery and was given this info by Anita Clevenger.

"We collected some identical HPs in a trip to the Nevada City area, from Pine Grove cemetery and a couple of others in the vicinity. We've been talking about this rose recently, because it seems to be found all over Northern CA and we probably grow it under several names, including Cerise Cup, Elizabeth Cannon, McCarty Plot, McBride Plot and Bud Jones. Jill Perry has been studying them and we need to evaluate the ones in the cemetery and add that to the study set, and will then update HMF with all of the roses that we think are the same. I'm almost positive that the one that you have is in this group. Phillip and Gregg from Vintage think that this rose is Geant des Battailes, but Fred Boutin thinks that the real GdB should have darker red or purple tones and the leaves should look more like Gloire des Rosomanes, which is in its parentage."

It's blooming in part shade for me (third flush since April.) The fragrance is DIVINE. The petals seem mottled in color. How's the fragrance on yours?

Here's two photos of mine.

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Would be interesting if we had the same rose.

Diane
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jerijen
11 years ago
Well, y'all are close enough to make a valid comparison.

Jeri
jill_perry_gw
11 years ago
It's even more confusing than Jeri and Anita have said. Of all the collected ones that are the same, one in Sacramento (I think it's found name was Johnson plot) was identified as Geant des Batailles, I think by Phillip Robinson. I walked around the Heritage taking pictures of all the ones we have that look like it. Then I looked at our Geant des Batailles, which we've had for more than 15 years, and which was a found rose identified as that by Phillip Robinson. They are different. Similar, but not the same rose. So- was he wrong the first time? Or the second? I took Gregg on a walk around them and he agrees they are different, but couldn't say that he thinks the one we find everywhere is the right one. I think the real one should have larger flowers, from what I've read. For a rose that was popular in its day, there sure isn't a lot of really good descriptive stuff or clear drawings.
Jill
fogrose
11 years ago
As I said in an earlier thread, I love a Mystery Rose.

Diane
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
11 years ago
I am SO happy! I was running around the garden yesterday cutting roses for a bouquet I was taking to our niece's house where we were having dinner. One of the buds on my might be 'Geant des Batailles' had completely opened since yesterday morning when I took the pic, and low and behold, the second bloom was WAY darker than the light pink one - looked exactly like the color in the pics of GdB. I had never seen that color boom on that plant, but it is Nov, and we have been having rain interspersed with very warm sunny days - it must really just be a weather variation. By the time we got to her house, the bloom had become very fragrant, too.

Jackie
jerijen
11 years ago
Jackie, that mystery rose can be quite dark. Here it is as Gilbert Plot -- but as Jill says, there is no real consensus for the Geant de Batailles identification.

Jeri
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
11 years ago
Maybe at the next Celebration of roses next Spring everyone could bring blooms of any of the many mystery roses thought to be whatever this is, from small gardens or the large ones such as the Cemetery or SHHRG, and they could all be together on the mystery table to be compared with each other.

Jackie
jerijen
11 years ago
Here's something you might find useful.

In 1935, Mrs. Keays wrote:
"Gloire des Rosomanes, an everblooming Hybrid China (the "Ragged Robin" of California), gave a red line of blooms, with bushes often growing tall but not forming a head at the top -- as Giant of Battles, General Jacqueminot, Bardou Job.

Now, Mrs. Keays clearly KNEW 'Geant des Batailles,' and she was placing it in the color-family of Ragged Robin, General Jack, and Bardou Job. That leads me to believe that it was really a red rose.

I grow Ragged Robin, and have grown General Jack, and I can't draw any comparison between those roses and our multi-study-named pretender.

Jeri
fogrose
11 years ago
I've seen Bardou Job growing on Alcatraz Island. No way you could put it's color in the same category as Jackie's mystery rose. Definitely red.

Diane
jerijen
11 years ago
As is Ragged Robin, of course.
(Though my RR does sometimes bloom pink.)

Jeri
;-)
jill_perry_gw
11 years ago
Jackie, just bring some blooms from your plant to the Heritage in the spring and compare it to our nine found look-alike roses:

McCarty plot P-19-10
Cerise Cup P-20-26
Pena Cottage P-21-5
Lime Cabin P-21-7
Mrs Parker's HP P-21-8
Bud Jones/William Daniels P-21-19
McCarty Plot P-21-25
McBride Plot P-22-16
Sam Hill P-22-27

You can also compare yours to our Geant des Batailles P-13-14.

Jill
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
11 years ago
Thanks so much, Jill - I will do that.

Jackie
jacqueline9CA
Original Author
11 years ago
Two more blooms opened on mine - much darker than ever before - what do you think?

Jackie
jerijen
11 years ago
I think it looks like McBride Plot/McCarty Plot/Gilbert Plot/et al . . .

I don't particularly think it looks to be in the family of Gloire des Rosomanes or General Jack . . .

But it has lovely foliage for you -- something it doesn't have down here.

Jeri

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