Whats your favorite OGR?
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mad_gallica (z5 Eastern NY)
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Comments (5)I put moss rose in the zip lock bag, close it and give it a few shakes, seeds fall to the bottom. Milkweed can be tricky, I pick up the pod with seeds holding them both together, then place inside the baggie, hold the seeds and pull them off the "silky stuff" before it unfolds and flies all over. I used to open each of the white seed pods of Night Blooming Jasmine to get the black seeds , but have been told it is best to let the pods with seeds dry out naturally. Easy to germinate no matter. Trying to think if there are any sticky ouchy seeds to gather, nope...Guess I don't grow it if it isn't easy. later Bea...See MoreAnyone else gardening in middle TN? Tips & Favorite OGR's?
Comments (7)Lilyfinch & Susan, Great to "meet" you both :) I am a member on HMF- and I ran across Jean Harrison's list of disease resistant roses the other day and put it in my "clippings". I think I may have drooled on my keyboard after reading that list of what she grows, If I can develop 1/10th of her gardening skills I will be thrilled :) Lillyfinch- I have had my eden for 3 years now, and it has outgrown the largest trellis I could find. I need to get an obelisk to weave it through, it is a stunner come May, even just at 2 years old and 4' tall. Not a great cut rose but there is such a sweet quality about it's blooms and it is great for the back of the flower bed up against the house. I will take photos sometime this spring for you. I *had* some really great climbers but had to rip them up because of RRV- I'm just glad that Eden survived the shovel pruning I had to do. Every rose in the backyard had to go, but a few in the front were sheltered from the outbreak. Photo attached of what used to be my back fence. Hoping to get back into rose gardening without going through that experience again anytime soon- It is still a couple of hours away, but Petals from the Past is in Alabama and they have OGR's, I've wanted to make a trip down there but just haven't found the time as of yet to make the trip, link included below for their website. I'm a facebook fan and they also do fun seminars that I'd like to attend around the blueberry and blackberry season. I can't wait for Spring! Here is a link that might be useful: Petals from the Past in Alabama...See MoreBest Roses for the deep south!
Comments (40)I'm surprised nobody has posted on this thread for so long. Anyway, while knowing which general classes of roses are best, it's just as important to consider the specific individuals within those classes. The most successful rose I grew while in Mississippi was the Cherokee Rose (Rosa Laevigata). Second in vigor and health was the yellow Banksia. Third, I suppose, would be Rosa Fortuniana, which I planted (mislabeled by Bracy's, as usual) thinking I'd bought the white Banksia. Fortuniana is a hybrid of white Banksia and Cherokee. I've also had spectacular results with Mermaid and Fortune's Double Yellow. And while the endlessly touted 'New Dawn' was a bit of a disappointment, the once-blooming parent from which it sported, Dr. W. VanFleet, was a disease-free giant (I measured some thirty-foot canes!!!). My family's 'official rose' is Silver Moon, a big, disease-free old Hybrid Wichuriana. My Great-Grandmother bought one during her glory days as one of the richest women in the Delta. After the Cotton Panic of '25 decimated her plantations and vaporized the banks in which she owned stock, our struggling family would make cuttings from that original plant, as they established their own homes. A big, pushy, loud church leveled her home in the Eighties (purchasing it with promises not to, of course...pathological lying being that denomination's other salient trait), and bulldozed her gardens. But that rose's progeny lives on, from River Oaks to Mountain Brook. Today, a generation of budding gardeners is making cuttings of those Silver Moons, for homes from Mendocino to the Isle of Palms. I also grew up with another probable Wichuriana hybrid that seems to have been 'Gardenia'. Lemon-Creme blooms, tea fragrance, apple-green foliage, totally free of disease. Dorothy Perkins is a Wichuriana hybrid, which, while prone to a dusting of surprisingly-attractive mildew, is otherwise fabulously healthy and wonderfully easy to root. I think I've seen Dorothy's deeper pink sister, 'Debutante', naturalized in the hedgerows, along roads leading to Natchez. Anyway, the Wichuriana class, while once-blooming (except for New Dawn), are fabulously healthy, and mostly immune to the occasional cold snaps which complicate things down south. Dr. W. VanFleet, BTW, is also a Hybrid Wichuriana. Before we moved up here, I was falling in love with what was sold to me (at the Greater Belhaven Farmer's Market)as the non-climbing form of the Polyantha, Clotilde Soupert. Not a trace of blackspot; continual bloom; wonderful scent; petal-packed, cabbagey little blooms, fading to a nice, neutral fleshy-pinky-offwhite; blooms well into early winter; GOOD SHADE TOLERANCE: what's not to love? An aunt in South Carolina passed this little mnemonic along to me from a rose lecture she'd attended: "Polyantha Noisette likes her Tea in a China cup." That sums up, pretty well, the classes of antique ever-blooming roses best for the South. Walking to class at Tulane, back in the days when it was still safe to be a couple of blocks lakeside from St. Charles, I'd pass rundown Uptown Victorian houses with ancient Tea roses out front. Can't tell you the names, but the old teas (and very first Hybrid Teas) develop a quite pleasant and substantial architecture. They'd cheer me up, blooming well into December, on basically neglected plants. The Hybrid musk with which I grew up was 'Eutin'. My Grandmother had her two out beneath some Pecan trees. Even with the shade and the sap (and without pruning), they bloomed all summer. I remember a fragrance which traveled far from the plant, although the plant is not listed as being fragrant. The Growth habit is upright and awkward, though, and you will have to prune a lot. Eutin could once be spotted in humble gardens all over Mississippi. Personally, I've grown the Hybrid Musks Cornelia and Vanity. Vanity has a very open growth habit, shocking pink blooms, and healthy foliage. Cornelia matures into a huge mess of a shrub, with plenty of blackspot, but also plenty of vigor. The fragrance is up there with Hyacinth, Winter Honeysuckle, Frangipani, and Lemon Blossom...it's that wonderful. One spray will perfume a hospital room or an office. Grow it in your Kitchen Garden, where its big, messy ever-blooming self won't be an aesthetic disaster. Or plant it in the front yard (as I foolishly did, at an apartment building I owned), and spend all your waking hours pruning it....See MoreWhats your favorite strongly scented OGR?
Comments (36)"Kim, thanks for the explanation. I regard scentless roses about the same as tasteless apples, or tasteless tomatoes or peaches, or .... for that matter. That's why we grow our own tomatoes, and only eat the peaches off my mother-in-laws tree when the are ripe." You're welcome, Jackie. Actually, that's appropriate. Both are selected for lacking traits many find desirable for the same reason: durability and shelf life. Stone fruit is regularly checked by the big growers for sugar levels. Micro sports, to our tastes, degenerative, are frequently selected for further propagation because they produce LESS sugar. Sugar is what makes the apple, pear, peach, etc., taste good. It's also what makes them spoil so quickly. Sugar ferments, creating the ethylene gas that ages or rots the fruit. By growing those sports which produce less sugar, the apples can be held for up to two years in nitrogen storage and be available for shipment year round to anyone who wants to buy them. The majors buy them by the ton and expect them to last on their tables for weeks before drying out. Apples from "organic growers" tend not to be those selected for long storage and tend to taste better as they contain more sugar. When Gala, Braeburn and all were introduced into the supermarkets from the road side stand market, they tasted wonderful! No longer. There's been sufficient time for "development" to take place. Now, they have little more taste than the traditional "Delicious" varieties overflowing the store tables. If you buy a tree of Delicious, it will taste great. It's still the old version that makes a ton of sugar and tastes "Delicious". Store bought ones are little more (very often) than insipid, mealy rotted Styrofoam. The same is happening quickly with the Galas, Fujis, etc. If you noticed in spring, Honey Crisp was available in many markets at significantly higher prices than the other varieties. They were also only available for a very short season, because they haven't been "selected" for shelf life and still contain sugar, tasting wonderful! Each year, you can find odd varieties in the super markets at higher prices than the others, and also for short seasons. That indicates they don't store long and won't be available year round as the others. They spoil too quickly due to the sugar. If you go to Ramona, Tehachapi and the like where they're grown, the apples are wonderful! They aren't grown for the major supermarkets and they don't store well because they are REAL apples, full of sugar and flavor. Florist and exhibition roses are virtually the same. You expect your intensely fragrant roses to only last a few days in the vase. You demand cut roses you've paid for to last longer. They are selected for vase life and production under the conditions which permit the grower to offer them as a reliable, year round product. They have to be scentless, or nearly so, to have them be as durable and withstand handling as the tasteless fruit. We're lucky here as we have many Russian, Latin and other types of markets whose produce is really quite tasty and very often significantly less costly than Ralph's, Von's, etc. You have to eat it NOW rather than buying it and using it ten days later, but it tastes delicious and often costs up to half as much as the supermarket version in the same area. So, when buying fruit, keep that in mind. When selecting roses, if the terms "heavy petal substance", "exhibition type" are used, avoid them as they are probably not going to have the scent you want. They SHOULD last well in water, like the Ralph's apples last in your refrigerator. Kim...See More
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10 years ago'Green Mantle' was the first rose to bring shrub roses and OGRs to my attention, but Father Hugo's rose was the first one I bought. Over the course of the last 23 years it has gotten huge with a spectacular display only to die back to a few canes and then grow huge again. Every time it dies back I get worried and give it a little extra attention but it eventually rebuilds itself again. It is certainly one of my favorites.
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10 years agojoshtx
10 years agoThough I cannot grow it, my dream rose is 'Königin von Dänemark.'
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