Hopefully this will help.... Help me find - click on Class Any plant class group This is what shows up: # Hybrid Teas * Florists Rose * Hybrid Tea / Large-Flowered * Hybrid Tea, Cl. * Pernetiana * Pernetiana, Cl. # Shrubs * English Rose [David Austin] * Floribunda / Cluster Flowered * Floribunda, Cl. * Grandiflora * Grandiflora, Cl. * Hybrid Musk * Hybrid Polyantha * Polyantha * Polyantha (Europe) * Polyantha, Cl. * Shrub # Climbers * Bourbon, Cl. * China, Cl. * Climber * Floribunda, Cl. * Grandiflora, Cl. * Hybrid Gigantea * Hybrid Helena * Hybrid Multiflora * Hybrid Perpetual, Cl. * Hybrid Sempervirens * Hybrid Tea, Cl. * Hybrid Wichurana * Large-Flowered Climber * Mini-Flora, Cl. * Miniature, Cl. * Patio Rose, Cl. * Pernetiana, Cl. * Polyantha, Cl. * Rambler * Tea, Cl. * Wichurana # Miniatures * Micro-Miniature * Mini-Flora * Miniature * Miniature, Cl. * Patio * Patio Rose, Cl. # Old Garden roses * Agatha/Agathe * Alba * Ayrshire * Bermuda Rose * Bourbon * Bourbon, Cl. * Boursault * Centifolia * China / Bengale * China, Cl. * Damask * Damask Perpetual * Gallica / Provins * Hybrid Bourbon * Hybrid China * Hybrid China, Cl. * Hybrid Gallica * Hybrid Moschata * Hybrid Noisette * Hybrid Perpetual * Hybrid Perpetual, Cl. * Hybrid Setigera * Lambertiana * Lawrenciana * Miscellaneous OGR * Moss * Moss - Modern * Noisette * Portland * Tea * Tea Noisette * Tea, Cl. * Turbinata # Species & Species Crosses * Hybrid Arvensis * Hybrid Banksia * Hybrid Blanda * Hybrid Bracteata * Hybrid Californica * Hybrid Canina * Hybrid Clinophylla * Hybrid Eglanteria * Hybrid Foetida * Hybrid Hugonis * Hybrid Hulthemia persica * Hybrid Kordesii * Hybrid Laevigata * Hybrid Lutea * Hybrid Macounii * Hybrid Macrantha * Hybrid Macrophylla * Hybrid Moyesii * Hybrid Multibracteata * Hybrid Nitida * Hybrid Nutkana * Hybrid Pendulina * Hybrid Pteracantha * Hybrid Roxburghii * Hybrid Rubiginosa * Hybrid Rugosa * Hybrid Soulieana * Hybrid Spinosissima * Hybrid Suffulta * Hybrid Villosa * Species / Wild * Species Cross # Other * Found Rose * Other (ARS registration) * Understock * Unknown

OK, so I couldn't help myself -- I placed a few small (for me) orders for the cemetery. I already reserved a few from Long Ago Roses, and I mentioned these in my previous thread. I'll list them again, along with the new orders, as well as what others here have offered to share or let me propagate. I heeded mad_gallica's advice about these roses being hard to root and likely better off being purchased. Albas “Ethel Yount’s White” found, possibly ‘Semi-Plena’ — Rose Petals Nursery Centifolias ‘La Noblesse’ 1856 — Burlington Roses ‘Robert Le Diable’ pre-1858 — Long Ago Roses Damasks ‘Celsiana’ pre-1732 — Burlington Roses ‘Ispahan’ pre-1827 — Long Ago Roses ‘Kazanlik’ VID pre-1612 — Rose Petals Nursery ‘Quatre Saisons’ pre-1633 — Rose Petals Nursery Gallicas ‘La Belle Sultane’ pre-1795 — frances_in_nj ‘Rosa Mundi’ pre-1581 — Long Ago Roses Hybrid Chinas ‘Hippolyte’ pre-1842 — Burlington Roses ‘Ombree Parfaite’ aka ‘Alice Vena’ 1823 — Long Ago Roses “Rush Family Gallica” found — Long Ago Roses “Ruth’s German Rose” found — Long Ago Roses 'Shailer’s Provence' 1799 — Long Ago Roses “The Bishop” (not sure which "version") — Long Ago Roses Hybrid Multifloras ‘Ghislaine de Feligonde’ 1916 — frances_in_nj ‘Veilchenblau’ 1909 — frances_in_nj Hybrid Perpetuals ‘Baronne Prevost’ 1841 — Long Ago Roses Mosses ‘Henri Martin’ 1862 — Long Ago Roses ‘Old Red Moss’ 1835 — Burlington Roses Polyanthas, Climbing ‘Mlle Cecile Brunner, CL’ 1894 — vmr423 ‘Phyllis Bide’ 1923 — frances_in_nj Ramblers ‘Erinnerung an Brod’ pre-1884 — frances_in_nj ‘Paul’s Himalayan Musk Rambler’ 1916 — frances_in_nj Species and Species Hybrids R. primula 1890 — Paradise Gardens Now, before everyone says I went nuts, a few caveats. First, planting isn't going to be restricted to existing beds you saw in the pics on the previous thread. When I spoke to Brian about possibilities, I mentioned that there was an old tradition of planting roses on graves. He liked that idea -- obviously not for every grave, but we're going to go through the list of "residents" and "honor" some of the more noteworthy ones with roses. Second, I know that some OGRs like Gallicas, some Hybrid Chinas, and Centifolias are known for suckering. These I don't want in beds, but rather in areas surrounded by grass or pavement to contain them. I looked through my list -- both "coming" and "possibilities" -- while walking around the cemetery. I definitely found places where all would work with room for more, but final placement will be Brian the caretaker's decision. I'm going to grow them on in my "magic mix" through the Summer here, and bring them to the cemetery in mid to late August for planting. That's when temperatures tend to cool down, and heavy rains soon follow -- which would work well for getting them established. Through the Winter, I'm going to be bringing my daily Starbucks hauls to the cemetery and start covering the beds -- not nearly as thickly as I do here, where I'm almost finished. I'm thinking an inch is fine. Brian's been collecting all the leaves into a big pile, shredding them, and holding the shredded leaves in bags for me to put down on top of the grounds. This will be going onto existing beds, but I wanted to wait for hard frost to kill off foliage on the other plants there. We're still waiting for one! The coldest three or four nights we've had so far went only to 30F for about an hour or so each time. Once the existing beds there are covered, I'll hold off until Spring to add more, and then only a sprinkling through the growing season. I'm hoping that this continued application will re-invigorate the soil there in time for rose planting in late Summer. I'm still waiting to hear back from Stephen Scanniello about things available through the HRF, but I don't think he's returned to the US yet. So I'm not going to bug him while he's on vacation. I'm still open to more "pass-alongs" that would be appropriate for the era. I'm also going to try rooting some of my "inventory" in late Winter -- I already see a sucker on my 'Botzaris' which I'm hoping I can get going in a pot. Anything I bring to the cemetery that doesn't "find a home" there will be donated to the HRF via Stephen Scanniello. He happens to live just south of me in Barnegat. :-) ~Christopher

Virtually all "purple" roses can vary greatly depending upon all the usual issues...soil/water pH, nutrients, heat, intensity of light, moisture, etc. The only "purple" rose I've yet grown which didn't have been Cardinal Hume and Purple Buttons. All the others have expressed anything from almost white to almost the right color expected from them. Those pigments demand the right range of conditions to express themselvs appropriately. It hasn't mattered whether the rose was an OGR or a modern "purple". Some have behaved better when provided protection from the light and heat intensities. Some have required acidifying the soil, a few times to the extreme. Some have only provided the desired colors in very early springs or late falls during unusually cooler and wetter conditions.

Souvenir de St. Anne's was very promising but I had to take it out because the blooms with few petals fried very quickly in my extreme radiant heat. For you it should be beautiful. Romaggi Plot Bourbon is another beautiful small Bourbon but it also was too delicate for the heat here. It's a lovely rose. Leveson-Gower is supposedly a sport of SdlM but that is disputed. A comment in HMFR states it's less disease-resistant than SdlM. I've grown it and it has a more shaggy look to the blooms.