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Comments (17)I wish I could gell you, Kay. I know she's been grown in quite a few locations around the country and none of those from whom I've heard have ever mentioned any disease issues. But, I've not grown her in a muggy climate so I can't say. It will be interesting learning how she does there, though. Where in Central Alabama? I was born in Birmingham and raised on the Alabama-Florida line. My great grandmother was the first lady "Hookie Cop" in Alabama back in The Depression. Pretty much any rose can be budded, Susan. As I've stated before, this one was budded on Pink Clouds as one of the very first plants propagated by Burling way back when Mel Hulse brought me the large cooler full of bloom sprays to Sequioa for me to take to Annie Laurie to obtain her permission to name it for her when we filmed the documentary about Ralph Moore. As with Teas and other slower to develop plants, own root versions will accomplish this. They just take longer. Keep your fingers crossed. I sent K&M bud wood this summer. If they like how it performs for them in their garden, they may begin offering it budded on Fortuniana. Thanks. Kim This post was edited by roseseek on Mon, Apr 15, 13 at 13:58...See MoreAnnie Laurie McDowell
Comments (29)Hello Eileen, thanks, nice to meet you! Whenever possible, I try to be as thorough as I can, probably too much so, but you can't make informed choices if you don't have the information. The times I've been able to mine high levels of information about a rose (or anything else) before making my choice, I've enjoyed it much more. Grandmother's Hat shares so many very similar textures and colors with Annie Laurie McDowell, I think your idea would be beautiful. It is obvious they are two different roses, but when you get up close and personal with them, you can see so many similarities in new growth texture and color, flower color, petal texture, occasionally similar flower shape, scent type, that one "completes" the other. I am certain they share similar basic parents, but who knows what those might be? Grandmother's Hat is a "found" rose which defies identification, which is why I provided Bierkreek with material to be grown and studied in Europe. It's been impossible here to put a name to her. Perhaps, someone there can compare her to your wonderful rose collections and finally make the identification? Hans also has all of her permutations we have found, Larry Daniels, Tina Marie, Striped Grandmother's Hat, as it is quite possible Grandmother is a sport and one of her "sports" is actually the reversion. The nurseryman who promoted her the most and discovered Tina Marie and Larry Daniels stated his crop traditionally mutated from Grandmother to Larry roughly 30% of the time which should mean the shift to Larry should be a reversion to or toward the original form. Hans also has several other found roses from here in California I included, hoping someone over there might identify them. Thanks belong to Jeri Jennings for allowing me to collect the material from her lovely garden. There has long been an article about the similarities between Grandmother and Annie mulling over in my head which hasn't fully worked itself out yet. If you grow these two and Gloire des Rosomanes, you will find all three possess strong nearly familial resemblances. It makes perfect sense with Annie and Gloire if you believe the originally stated parentage behind Renae instead of the much later "correction", Mr. Moore suggested nearly five decades after Renae was introduced. Initially, it was stated that the pollen parent was a rose he created called Sierra Snowstorm, which resulted from Gloire des Rosomanes crossed with Dorothy Perkins. Closely studying Annie and Gloire des Rosomanes will show you many shared plant characteristics, which I feel demonstrate either that Annie is a descendant, or they share very close common ancestors. Grandmother's Hat resembles Gloire des Rosomanes in many plant characteristics such as texture of new growth, petal substance, fragrance, plant colors and scent of its growth parts. Both have very nicely scented sepals, peduncles and new growth tips and both can easily be supported to create climbing effects. If you would enjoy a very interesting, enjoyable study, plant all three close to each other so you may study them and delight in their wonderful similarities. Not that they are interchangeable in any way, but they are obviously related. I just haven't figured out the connection other than the one between Gloire des Rosomanes and Annie Laurie McDowell. My Grandmother's Hat grows next to a six foot vinyl fence and is partially supported by a huge, very happy Kona hibiscus which helps keep her more upright as she grows tall, sharing the flowers with the neighbor over the fence. It doesn't really shade her, so her height isn't elongated as she reaches for light. She'll flower on three to four foot canes, then produce new growth just below the flowers, shooting up another two to four feet before breaking into another cluster of blooms. With support, this is repeated several times, permitting her to be trained as a climber. If her canes are taken off the vertical, equalizing the sap pressure along the cane, she will begin breaking into laterals and producing flowers along the cane like a traditional climber is expected to. With decent soil and climate, Grandmother doesn't need budding, she will grow perfectly own root and roots quite easily. In my climate, Grandmother's Hat very seldom forms hips, the flowers and peduncles drying and shriveling instead. This fall I have found six hips on her and collected a few seeds to plant to see what germinates, so dead heading is not necessary for her to continue flowering. The small, dried, spent flowers will require removal if that bothers you, but it isn't really that noticeable with her luxurious foliage mass. I'd think if you can make sure many of both Annie's and Grandmother's canes were grown low enough for you to be able to bury your face in to enjoy their scents, you'd enjoy them much more. It would definitely be a shame to only have them above your head where you can't easily see and smell them. Please be sure to fondle Grandmother frequently so she will scent your hands with her sweet, peppery cedar scent. On warm, moist days, both the flower and plant fragrances are very noticeable in the air close to the plant. She has few prickles, Annie has never had any in my experience, so personal contact with her doesn't usually result in injury, but it does enhance her "experience". Annie will definitely provide more shade with her greater growth and foliage mass than Grandmother will and both can easily be expected to flower year round in my climate. One of these days, I will have a situation where I can plant all of the various Grandmother's Hat permutations, Gloire des Rosomanes and Annie Laurie McDowell close to each other to make their study and enjoyment much easier. That would be a wonderfully pleasing grouping! I hope that helps. If you have room for a largish, probably once flowering, intensely fragrant rose, try Nessie. She's only available commercially there in Italy from Le Rose di Piedimonte and is shown on their site as currently available. Ironic that I had to search for her here after moving my garden, yet she's readily commercially available to you. Also, that even after contacting them requesting they correct the spelling of my name, it remains misspelled. I raised her from seed of Montecito, which has been disputed as possibly being Brunonii, and I am fairly certain the pollen was from Mlle. Cecile Brunner as that is what I used most heavily on it and the plant highly resembles what I would expect from the cross. Translated from their site, this is their description. "Slightly hazy pale pink semi-double flowers of apricot of medium size and long yellow stamens in evidence. Intense and spicy, elegant dark green foliage, semi-gloss. So called from his breeder in memory of the "monster" in Loch Ness, because of exuberantly throwing its branches arching out of the plots of cultivation, growing rapidly up to 3 meters. It has a good re-flowering. Numerous and large orange berries." She never repeated for me in the mid desert, but seems to have the ability in a milder one. Now she's returned home to me, I might experience that here, I hope. She's also been rudely healthy in my experience and her fragrance impresses itself on your memory as Annie's and Grandmother's do. I hope you can find room for her in your garden and will report back with lots of "baby pictures" and your impressions. Thank you! Kim Here is a link that might be useful: Nessie...See MoreCompanion for Annie Laurie McDowell
Comments (15)You're welcome, Jasminerose. Of course you can have "just one". You can have all you want. It's simply the more you let her expend that energy flowering, the longer you WILL wait for the climbing growth. She's like any other climber...she's going to follow that three year cycle of "sleeping" the first year; creeping the second then beginning to leap the third. Own root, she'll take longer and the more you let her flower, the longer she WILL demand before she begins climbing. So, let her flower all you want and enjoy the dwarf plant. Eventually, she will develop all the roots needed and she'll start to climb. Preventing flowring simply gets her up on the wall or fence sooner. Kim...See MoreAnnie Laurie Mc Dowell/Climbing Roses ??
Comments (53)Galgal if I ever do you'll be the first to know. Virginia, they haven't got to her yet or anyone else in that area, that I know of. It's hard clay over there, which could account for slow growth, but since she's growing inch by inch and everyone says she's a slow grower, I think that could be another reason. I've noticed That roses over there do tend to take a little longer to take off and I think it's the clay and because I'm still, adding to that area trying to make it better with mulch, rabbit manure, chicken manure, ect. The ones they have gotten have always been in soil that I've worked for years, and now is over shaded to much from the trees. Did you see the post where I told you they tried to get SDDJ? I'm glad I caught it in time, and that might be why he didn't root. I noticed after that through this year he was losing a few canes and I was wondering why, but was either so busy, or feeling bad I almost didn't catch it. I dug him up and planted him really deep. I read in Susan Verrier's gallica book that deep planting discouraged voles, and I was out of my main go to to get rid of them. I don't think my colder weather in the winter has anything to do with it, or atleast I don't recall her losing any cane during winter. I'll pay extra close attention this year....See Morebart_2010
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