eastern aspects....and possibly north facing too - what rose?
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Comments (24)Thanks everyone for your comments and encouragements. Keep us posted on your Gallica experiments Portland. Summer, I would love to try Darlow's enigma. But for some reason, it cannot be found in Canada. Most of my garden is in shade. However as you know there is shade and shade. The back of the garden was full sun a long time ago, however, the trees have grown so much that it is constant dappled shade. So, roses that grow there need to be vigorous and tough and sizable. I love Albas. There is an aura of mystery about them, as if they are a bridge between a longtime ago past and what is old and venerable in us. If I'd go through with this experiment (As the spots are taken with some sentimental plants), For the original spot mentioned in this post, I was thinking of going with Great Maiden's Blush even though I was tempted by the Queen and her ladies-in-waiting Madame Legras and Mme. Plantier! For a small spot I was thinking of Félicité Parmentier, as none of the big ones will fit. Although the idea of an all exclusive alba garden is very enticing, I've always been intrigued by the apple scented leaves of Sweet Briar. So, she'll be another candidate for another tough spot. I would grow her for her scented leaves only. But again all this is an ideal, a dream, which for the time being, is enough as I'm quite content with miss Semi-plenaâ¦....See MoreRoses for south/mostly west facing zone 5b Massachusetts garden
Comments (7)Patty, Julia has been a workhorse here, even in the not best conditions, some morning shade and mid-day sun, then shade then late afternoon sun, 4 1/2 of sun hours tops but she still keeps blooming. Thanks for the heads-up on disease the first couple of years new Austins have been disease disasters this year. Maybe year three (next year) will be the year I'll see an improvement? One can hope. I'll be ordering her roses and suggesting the best for her to pick from. Luckily she doesn't mind if they lack scent. This gives her a lot more choices. They'll definitely be own root. winter hardiness is definitely a concern. I have Peter Kulkielski's book 'Chemical Free Roses' for reference plus the wealth of information and knowledge from the rose forum community so I'm sure we'll find something that will provide lots of beauty without a lot of stress....See MoreNeed Help planting in North Facing Front Yard
Comments (9)Tough, standard landscaping shrubs that can take either full sun or full shade would be best. You can add visual interest via foliage texture (and that lasts year round) and put the color of flowers elsewhere. Boxwood, Nandina 'Firepower' (which has a lot of foliage color--it reds up in cooler months--and is reliably short enough to live below windows) come immediately to mind, but I'm sure there will be a lot more suggestions. Most satisfying results come from working with conditions in each location of the garden, not against them....See MoreClimbing Roses for north wall
Comments (16)Study name "Darlow's Enigma" (it came with an original name which D. didn't keep track of) would probably be a good bet merely because it is so clean. But it often starts out twiggy and small parted, like a miniature, and produces many prickles that are like fish hooks - and also often produces a dome-like, semi-shrubby habit. So those factors need to be considered if this is a narrow space, with a lot of walking by involved. Probably by now somebody has imported this to Britain under the study name - if it was not already present under whatever its true name is. (If the latter is the case you would have to find a supplier that knows the stock under the correct name is the same as the one being grown under the study name over here). Otherwise I have seen 'Climbing Etoile de Hollande' and 'Zephirine Drouhin' flowering on shaded house walls in Seattle (USDA 8, dull climate like Britain except summers are quite dry every year). Also maybe 'Old Blush' - it's another you see growing adequately where nobody is rose gardening - or doing much actual gardening at all - and dating from plantings probably multiple decades beforehand. I'm just not sure I've seen it on the north side of a building. As mentioned previously 'Madame Alfred Carriere' mildews a bit where site conditions encourage this, so the recurring recommendation to use it for shaded walls seems like it wouldn't be apt - the chronic drying of the root zone by a concrete foundation is just the thing to get a susceptible rose covered in mildew. That said I've seen it on the north side of a largish house here once, don't remember the mildew being hugely worse than on other infested examples that were growing in the open. The usual thing is a light coating of mildew with a little puckering of the newest leaves during peak mildew time in later summer, when soils are dry and the atmosphere is becoming foggy. I've never seen a level of affliction on this one where the plant looks like it is painted white or covered in mold. 'Carriere' in west-facing planters against a building at the local waterfront, where presumably they are never sprayed - as they look like they are seldom even fertilized - I don't think mildew much at all. Maybe the salt air has an effect, or they are just being kept watered enough in summer....See MorenanadollZ7 SWIdaho
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