North wall / Alba roses possible or a joke?
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Comments (20)Masha, teas generally get bs on older leaves that are being pushed off by new growth. It varies as to how soon the bs starts. I've seen some teas get it when the budeye is just starting to swell and others don't get it until the new growth is 6" long, amazingly. I've noticed Mme Antoine Mari is among the former and often has yellow bs'y leaves. BTW, teas don't get the gross ugly bs that my Chrysler Imperial gets or the grosser uglier bs that Baronne Prevost gets. It's really fairly minor and is more a case of old yellow leaves dropping and being replaced by new growth - at least in my garden. Sherry...See MoreRugosa alba really an outstanding rose
Comments (9)They smell good, too! As with all untreated roses, the petals also are edible. One I have often wanted to try growing was Fru Dagmar Hastrup. I haven't yet had a gardening opportunity where it really made sense to do it, but I keep thinking about it! According to the descriptions I've read, Fru's hips are truly red (not the usual scarlet, or tomato red), and so don't clash with the late flowers (which themselves are more purely pink rather than so obviously lavender pink). If memory serves, it's also not supposed to get quite as tall as the species (more 3'+ instead of 4'+). PS: "Fru" really is the correct spelling. The one who first found it was Danish, not German. (A German would have named it "Frau".)...See MoreNorth American vs European rose hybridisers
Comments (50)I had a point somewhere when I started that thread on this subject which I can't find now. So I'll settle on Cactus Joe's thread. Anyway I came across an article on Kordes in my old Rosebank news letters. It was an article by Harry McGee in September, 1995. The occasion was a visit to Canada by Wilhelm III. It has a good history of the Kordes firm. It started with Wilhelm the first in 1890 in Hamburg. Wilhelm II joined in 1919 in Sparrieshoop. He was succeeded by a non-Wilhelm but still a Kordes, Reimer. Then came the III. All were in charge of breeding operations. Other family members ran the business side. What is relevant in all of this is that the hybridizer was preminent in the firm and therefore put emphasis on that. At that time Kordes was the largest rose nursery in the world selling 2 million roses a year. They made 50,000 crosses a year. After a rose is singled out as a prospect it is grown for 6 or 7 years of testing before it is introduced. They probably are still the largest. Possibly the odds of creating a superior rose are in favor of those who do the most crosses. Stands to reason doesn't it? Even just blind choice should produce now and then something of value. One thing Mr. Kordes said that was interesting is that many breeders have stopped breeding HT's. One reason is that fewer people go to exhibitions. The other is that they are more difficult to get anything worthwhile. Hard to make disease resistant, many are single, fragrance is rare, have fewer hips and what they have don't germinate well and finally they produce fewer flowers. The emphasis on disease resistance began as a result of the Green Parties efforts to ban spraying in many parts of Germany. Kordes then stopped spraying. The result was disaster. Their fields became nearly barren of roses. I guess things have improved since then....See MoreCreating an arbor of roses and clematis on north facing wall zone 6
Comments (12)First, I love the Cypress Vine idea, I did some research and they're in the Morning Glory family; it doesn't re-seed easily, they would need to be soaked or sanded. But I love the vine. The other choice is back to Clematis. Nobody agrees on ones that can live in shade because I think it's different for everyone. Are they in microclimates? What zone is it? Do you ever water? Me - not so much. So I'm going to have to think about this whole idea and try to run a nursery at the same time. I am so far behind on my own yard it's actually a joke. That's why I like Clematis. Most of them just crawl up and sit there. Hmmm. Thank you for the clematis forum, I already saw that, there's like 30 clematis that people list that grow in shady areas, however that doesn't mean zone 6. I was hoping for a clematis expert who could say "try one of these 5 vines they'll get huge and can handle shade". There's a lot of experts floating around out there. Thanks everyone....See MoreUser
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