Hi Jackie, thank you! Well, first, I have six buds of BA inserted into Pink Clouds which are green and swelling after more than a month, so they should be safely able to be considered "takes". It will likely be spring before they produce enough growth to do anything with. I don't know if they will flower then or not as I don't know how mature they must be before flowering. My hope is to be able to generate more wood for propagation. Once there are blooms, you can be sure they will be posted to Help Me Find. There really isn't any way to know for sure how they were confused or when. I guess, if you squint really hard and really want to believe, Spray Cecile Brunner might be able to be confused with the single, nearly century old photograph of Bloomfield Abundance. This one is particularly satisfying for me. I have maintained for more than thirty years that what has been sold as BA is definitely a mutation of Cecile Brunner. There is absolutely no way the stated parents for Bloomfield Abundance could result in a definite Tea-poly result. We've seen more than hundred years of Wichurana breeding and none of it has resembled anything approaching Cecile Brunner's foliage or wood. This Bloomfield Abundance does resemble some of the results The Brownells obtained in their decades of work breeding "HT's" using Wichurana to create their "Sub Zero" roses. If you look at Flower Carpet and the Kordes results from their breeding with The Fairy, that should also give you an indication of what you should expect the results to look like. The report that BA had been grown in the family for a generation could have easily come from someone giving them the plant and remembering its identity incorrectly, or someone being sent out to collect wood from it and selecting the wrong plant to cut from. The former is common in commerce as well as in "pass along" situations. The latter is also common. Probably the most famous example was when Huey was mistakenly collected as Ragged Robin, resulting in Huey becoming the standard stock in US commercial production. Or, it could simply be the situation of, "Gee, that looks like Bloomfield Abundance", so it became BA. However it occurred, I agree with you that it is exciting to finally have a potential candidate for being the REAL one! I'll keep you posted how these develop. Happy Thanksgiving! Kim

2004 FLORIBUNDA ROSE LIST PART 1 Listed below is a very comprehensive up to date listing of Floribunda roses, eligible to be exhibited in a rose show. All are registered with ARS, or assigned an approved exhibition name, "AEN". Many are varieties, which are not listed in the latest "AEN", or other ARS publications. Its a handy reference of information for judges and exhibitors, or anyone just interested in roses that will perform well in their garden, based on reports from people who have grown them over the years. Corrections / Additions / Deletions will be posted, as official information becomes available. Any help in making this list more accurate and beneficial to the user is always welcome. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>KEY INFORMATION(1)-ARS "Approved Exhibition Name", AEN. (2)-ARS awards received. (3)-Blooming Habit: P, patio rose of adequate bloom and growth for container growing; CL, climbing variety; HB, hanging basket; G/D, garden / decorative. (4)-Petal age: single 4-11; semi-dbl 12-16; double 17-25; full 26-40; very full 41+ petals. (5)-Bloom Form: HT hybrid teas (exhibition); OGR old garden rose; open; flat; cupped. (6)-Bloom Size Open: Small, under 4cms 1.5"; Medium, 4 to 7 cms 1.5" to 2.75"; Large, 7+ cms 2.75+". (7)-Blooming Habit: BIC, borne in clusters; S, solitary. (8)-Color Classification. (9)-Year the rose was registered. (10)-The latest average national garden & exhibiting ratings: 9.3-10 one of the best; 8.8-9.2 outstanding; 8.3-8.7 excellent; 7.8-8.2 very good; 7.3-7.7 good; 6.8-7.2 average; 6.1-6.7 below average; 0.0-6.0 not recommended. (11)-Growth Habit: SG, spreading / ground cover, BG bushy; CG compact;,UG upright. (12)- Fragrance: A, fragrant or slightly fragrant; B, very fragrant.(13)- Plant Heights: L, under 24"; M, 24 to 36"; T, 36+". *************BY: Ronald Sshwerdt 5-14-04************* A.J. 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I think what must have happened is that they got confused a LONG time ago - I remember reading a statement by a famous rose person in the UK that he was sure they had the correct BA (I think this was before the DNA results) because "my father grew it". So, perhaps the mix up happened in the US, and the wrong plant was sent to the UK, or it happened there right after they got the first plant. Then it became conventional wisdom, so by the time it was questioned everyone's feet were in concrete. Thank heavens DNA analysis can be done now! Jackie

If I recall correctly, it was Mr. Beales who stated since his family had grown Spray Cecile Brunner for two generations, it MUST be the correct B.A. Remember, also, he was the gentleman who identified Pink Gruss an Aachen as Irene Watts, and when presented with the proof that they were the same rose, he maintained he HAD and SOLD the correct one, but never supplied photos of the right one in all the years he had the opportunity to demonstrate he was correct. He was also the gentleman who distributed Barcelona as Francis Dubreuil, though that ID was likely Sangerhausen's fault. The confusion about B.A. was more difficult to uncover because until photos of Fred's rediscovery, there were only three photos of the real B.A. (though, you could argue there were only TWO, as one was a simply a colorized copy of one of them) and none of them had been printed since 1926. The latest place these were shown is Help Me Find, where I would link them, if it was working properly. Since that is only showing green screens until whatever the issue is can be found, I've "borrowed" them for here. This was printed in the 1920 American Rose Annual. This image was printed in the American Rose Annual, 1926. And, this was printed in The Practical Book of Outdoor Rose Growing (1920), by Captain George C. Thomas, Jr. who created the rose, and is simply a black and white print of the colorized print above. The breeding provided would never produce a plant so obviously multiflora-based, but as few had access to these images, who could see the error? Anyone with any knowledge of rose classes and of an inquisitive mind, questioned how a hybrid Wichurana and a Hybrid Tea resulted in a multiflora type poly, just as those same minds questioned how anyone could possibly consider the obviously Wichurana-based "Sombreuil" a "Tea".