Tell me about Pierre de Ronsard (aka Eden)
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Please advise me how to prune 'Eden'?
Comments (14)Thanks for all the suggestions. Eden is currently 4' tall and 5' wide , with a lot of horizontal canes. I try to let it grow on a topeed but it doesn't look good now. I has never pruned it, just trimmed the top of the shoot when BS leaves are too much to pick up. I used Bayer 3 in 1 and found out that did not work at all, and then switched to spray Bayer fungicide once or twice a month until October. But even with spraying, it will still has BS here and there. Burndoodle, can you explain more about "sun burn"? My Eden constantly has light/pale/almost white leaves. I put down some iron but that didn't work either. Could it be too much sun? I goggled about Eden last night and found out it is very popular in Asia as well. I also read a post that the poster assumed just likes Dr.w.van.Fleet and New Dawn, repeat bloom Eden might be the sport of once bloom Eden!!...See MorePruning and Training of Pierre de Ronsard rose
Comments (2)PdR is an excellent climber to start with. Big so you have material to play with, but not so big it will eat your garden. After 2 or 3 growing seasons you will get 6 or 8 large main canes (about 3 meters) to work with. Most of the laterals will be short, with a couple longer (1 m) laterals per main cane and short (300-500 cm) blooming laterals coming off of that. You probably don't have mature canes yet, perhaps you will get one or two next spring (your spring) and several more the following year. At present you probably have immature growth, there may be 1 or 2 1 - 2 m canes, but the mature canes will be 3 m and quite strong. The canes are pretty flexible for the first year for several months after they shoot up, so you have some time to get them arranged the way you like them. The best way to arrange the canes is to fan them out on a fence of medium height, leaving some space between each cane. The plastic trellis should work. Unlike some plants that store energy in their roots (potatoes, for example), roses store a lot of their energy in their canes. So when you cut off canes from an immature plant, you are cutting off stored energy. I would leave what is there, but keep in mind you probably haven't got mature-sized growth as yet. When you get a few mature sized canes, then you can remove the "baby" growth and get a cleaner look on your fence. One thing about Eden: don't cut the tips of the mature main canes! Shorten the laterals, but leave the tips of the main canes be. Don't expect a lot of flowers or rebloom for 3 or 4 years. It does take its time to get going....See MoreIs White Eden really white or is it actually light pink?
Comments (18)Yeah, my Eden gets a bit of BS, but nothing it doesn't shake off fine here. I have him in really good sun now, because that also helped with the re-bloom. Mine looks so pretty right now! Last year he didn't even bloom because he got zapped so short by the polar vortex. I was afraid he might be Dr Huey. But no :) He's better than ever! I have Red Eden, too, and we're definitely humid here. Mine doesn't really ball, exactly, but his petals may need help opening. The thing is, the petals stay fresh and pretty, but he can just take forever to open. My Cinderella Fairytale and Cl Clotilde Soupert both have some real balling right now, where the petals turn icky in the ball shape, but my Red Eden just needed a little loosening with my fingers and he looks great :) I do believe he really balls in lots of places, no doubt. But for me, the freshness of the petals makes a huge difference here. I do love globular roses, though. He's about as globular as it gets, and that's part of his problem for some folks, I think! Without help opening, he can tend to look like a bunch of Christmas ornaments :D...See MoreNahema versus Pierre de Ronsard (aka Eden)
Comments (12)I don't know much about Nahema -- gave one to a relative as a present, but she planted it in full shade. She is moving it this summer, so maybe I'll have a better idea about how it behaves by next year. My Eden/Pierre de Ronsard is five or six years in the ground now, in full sun, south-facing. There is a lot of pavement around that area, so I think of it as at least a zone hotter than my 8b. Eden LOVES this location. It grew relatively quickly there (own root) and is now quite sprawling. I think in the first year it bloomed once, and thereafter bloomed twice per year (two distinct flushes) until last year, when it bloomed pretty much non-stop all summer. Why? I've got no idea. Maybe it loved the hellacious heat and wildfire smoke we had. Maybe it finally hit maturity. Maybe it loves the fact that I let it sprawl out and barely train it. I don't know. In France, and there I have seen it growing against stone walls on the Ile de Ré, which is very sunny and warm in the summer (hollyhocks also grow well there) so I suspect that it can take some heat and that it loves full sun. I have seen pictures of it trained around a post before, so it is possible -- but you will want to be on top of securing its canes to the post if you do this, because they do eventually get very stiff and structural if you leave them to their own devices. Some people say they can detect a fragrance from it, but to me it smells of nothing. This is extremely disappointing, and if it weren't doing so well where I have it (and successfully deterring men who want to pee in the alley behind it -- seriously!) I would put something more fragrant in its place. Its foliage is healthy in my garden -- but we are in VERY different zones. Do you see it growing in your area? It is really unmistakeable, so should be easy to ID if you see it. Here are some pictures of it last summer, looking positively feral (yes, I actually pruned and trained it last month, so hopefully it won't be sweeping the ground with its blooms this coming summer!) The fence is five feet tall. By winter the rose had several new 10-12 foot canes sprouting out from its base like an octopus....See Morerosefolly
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